Dream Run for Jet*
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Dream Run for Jet*
Qantas has provided its biggest signal yet that its Jetstar operations could service the bulk of its international routes in the next decade, after confirming half its order for Boeing 787 Dreamliners would be diverted to the low-cost offshoot.
The airline yesterday clarified a presentation by its head of operations, Lyell Strambi, to analysts and fund managers this week, which outlined that Qantas expected to have 25 of the $US205 million ($A222.9 million) 787s in its fleet.
Some trade journals reported this as meaning Qantas would cut orders for the jets from 50 to 25.
In rejecting the reports, Qantas for the first time confirmed that 25 of the aircraft would be in its livery and the other 25 would be serviced by Jetstar.
The confirmation is five months after Qantas cut its order for 65 787s to 50, and pushed back the delivery of the first of them from next year to mid-2013.
While Qantas is expected to deploy its future fleet of 20 Airbus A380 superjumbos on its high-yielding business passenger-dominated Los Angeles and London routes, the first batch of shorter-haul 787-800s (instead of going into the Jetstar fleet as originally intended) are now due to replace Qantas' domestic fleet of 767s from 2014.
The longer-range 787-900s that will be delivered to Jetstar from 2013 are expected to help the airline's expansion into Europe, North America and several Asian destinations. But Jetstar is believed to be looking to fly to Europe as soon as late next year, when it takes delivery of the first of its five Airbus A330s, which will boost its wide-bodied fleet to 12.
Watch this space
The airline yesterday clarified a presentation by its head of operations, Lyell Strambi, to analysts and fund managers this week, which outlined that Qantas expected to have 25 of the $US205 million ($A222.9 million) 787s in its fleet.
Some trade journals reported this as meaning Qantas would cut orders for the jets from 50 to 25.
In rejecting the reports, Qantas for the first time confirmed that 25 of the aircraft would be in its livery and the other 25 would be serviced by Jetstar.
The confirmation is five months after Qantas cut its order for 65 787s to 50, and pushed back the delivery of the first of them from next year to mid-2013.
While Qantas is expected to deploy its future fleet of 20 Airbus A380 superjumbos on its high-yielding business passenger-dominated Los Angeles and London routes, the first batch of shorter-haul 787-800s (instead of going into the Jetstar fleet as originally intended) are now due to replace Qantas' domestic fleet of 767s from 2014.
The longer-range 787-900s that will be delivered to Jetstar from 2013 are expected to help the airline's expansion into Europe, North America and several Asian destinations. But Jetstar is believed to be looking to fly to Europe as soon as late next year, when it takes delivery of the first of its five Airbus A330s, which will boost its wide-bodied fleet to 12.
Watch this space
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Reality Check!
What has changed?. The first 15 787s were always going to Jetstar.
Jetstar was designed to pull in International market share for The Group by exploiting markets that full-cost Qantas cannot profit from.
And the Double Decker Bus is a four-class mainline aircraft going to Mainline QF.
Certainly not
I don't get you guys. Do you want Jetstar to be sold off, so that QF can continue to decline gracefully into whatever it is that companies decline into these days?
Jetstar was designed to pull in International market share for The Group by exploiting markets that full-cost Qantas cannot profit from.
And the Double Decker Bus is a four-class mainline aircraft going to Mainline QF.
Certainly not
Jetstar operations could service the bulk of its international routes in the next decade
I don't get you guys. Do you want Jetstar to be sold off, so that QF can continue to decline gracefully into whatever it is that companies decline into these days?
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the first batch of shorter-haul 787-800s (instead of going into the Jetstar fleet as originally intended) are now due to replace Qantas' domestic fleet of 767s from 2014.
I guess the big question is who will be flying them for Jetstar? I got 10 bucks says the majority won't be flown by Australian based crews.
Any takers?
Any takers?
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It would appear that Jetstar is 'the new black' !!
Fantastic news.Growth, job creation, adding value to the Qantas Group ! It is perfect really. In 70 years time the kids choir will be singing tunes that 'stir the emotions to the core of the soul' to the background footage of those beautiful silver aircraft with stunning orange belly's and suave livery.
Let us celebrate the birth of the new king of the skies.
Fantastic news.Growth, job creation, adding value to the Qantas Group ! It is perfect really. In 70 years time the kids choir will be singing tunes that 'stir the emotions to the core of the soul' to the background footage of those beautiful silver aircraft with stunning orange belly's and suave livery.
Let us celebrate the birth of the new king of the skies.
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It's amazing how many people believe what QANTAS says when it suits them, only to bag them as liars and idiots when it doesn't suit them. When I see a 787 in a Jetstar paint scheme come in over the fence, then I'll believe it. From all the management talk I've heard over the years, I know that rarely does the reality meet the rhetoric.
Jetstar could base the 787s in Singapore and have a lower cost base compared to Australia. Using SIN as a hub certainly works for SQ. Daily services from the Australian capital cities into SIN then onward to Europe, China, India, SE Asia.
Sydney - Bombay may not be viable but a feed from SYD, MEL, PER, BNE, ADL into SIN and then onwards might be, especially with the cost savings.
Leave the high yield LHR route to mainline and open up new routes which previously wouldn't have paid.
Get back at SQ for starting Tiger Australia as well.
Sydney - Bombay may not be viable but a feed from SYD, MEL, PER, BNE, ADL into SIN and then onwards might be, especially with the cost savings.
Leave the high yield LHR route to mainline and open up new routes which previously wouldn't have paid.
Get back at SQ for starting Tiger Australia as well.
cat out of the bag
I'd be getting worried if I was a Jet* Pilot.....
This today from Jetstar in the SMH
''We're making no decisions beyond aircraft number seven,'' said Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway. The airline has not ruled out the prospect of its part-owned Singapore- and Ho Chi Minh City-based subsidiaries using the jets.
This today from Jetstar in the SMH
''We're making no decisions beyond aircraft number seven,'' said Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway. The airline has not ruled out the prospect of its part-owned Singapore- and Ho Chi Minh City-based subsidiaries using the jets.
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why would you be worried? Let them have the jets, its a horses arse over there, its only smoke and mirrors from management anyway. Jq aus has job security and steady growth the only people worried would be anyone wanting to join for a quick command.
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Originally Posted by Capt Cloudbuster
''We're making no decisions beyond aircraft number seven,'' said Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway. The airline has not ruled out the prospect of its part-owned Singapore- and Ho Chi Minh City-based subsidiaries using the jets.
Really playing it close to the chest.
Doesn't change the published strategy though.
The market will decide the relative growth rates of International QF and JQ. No conspiracy there - just reality.
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Won't the good ole brothers at JQ NZ get some as well before JQ OZ, lower cost base and all that.
Wonder when JQ OZ figure out that what happened to Qantas growth is about to come down the pipes at them. Flying with JQ NZ contract pilots with JQ OZ contract pilots in the same cockpit is really the thin edge of the wedge or the wrong end of the pineapple.
Will watch with interest.
Wonder when JQ OZ figure out that what happened to Qantas growth is about to come down the pipes at them. Flying with JQ NZ contract pilots with JQ OZ contract pilots in the same cockpit is really the thin edge of the wedge or the wrong end of the pineapple.
Will watch with interest.
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I know this has been managements plan from the start, but how many years before you see Jetstar rebranded as Qantas colours, but with a complete low cost base working for it. Why else would they be growing Jetstar to clearly the detriment of mainline if they never intended to re-brand Jet* back to Qantas. Maybe a decade away???
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So what the hell do you do with 36,000 QF staff, who are not remotely interested working for any less money than they are now? What happens to them, as slowly but surely JQ starts taking over the reins as time goes on? To me QF will become a boutique airline servicing only LAX and LHR, the rest will go to the joey. Any young pilot who asks me now what do I have to do to get into QF, I say don't bother, head for JQ, you might get less pay, and fly your butt off, but at least you will get a command before you get arthritis, how times have changed.
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Ah, how quickly the dream becomes a nightmare!
PS Teresa,So Qantas Staff are to blame for not accepting lower pay and conditions. Before all your objectivity is lost whilst in the rapures of Jetstar groupy ecstacy, ask Jetstar people of what the think of Jetstar NZ,and if they are willing to uproot and accept those conditions all in the name of feathering the nest egg of Qantas Group executives!
PS Teresa,So Qantas Staff are to blame for not accepting lower pay and conditions. Before all your objectivity is lost whilst in the rapures of Jetstar groupy ecstacy, ask Jetstar people of what the think of Jetstar NZ,and if they are willing to uproot and accept those conditions all in the name of feathering the nest egg of Qantas Group executives!
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