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Any young pilot who asks me now what do I have to do to get into QF, I say don't bother, head for JQ, you might get less pay, and fly your butt off, but at least you will get a command before you get arthritis,
Vietnam, Singapore or NZ?
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But which arm of JQ do you recommend for said quick command?
Vietnam, Singapore or NZ?
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Will be very interesting to see if they do get the chance to come back to the OZ list. But to me that is crazy, happy to go help out a lower cost operator on their conditions and hope to come back when it suits? I guess you are betting that all the work you left is still there when you want to return.
Wonder if JQ Oz pilots will stand up when JQ NZ pilots start doing 3-5 day tours around OZ.....?
Wonder if JQ Oz pilots will stand up when JQ NZ pilots start doing 3-5 day tours around OZ.....?
So Jetstar Australia can operate with NZ pilots and Asian cabin crew on pay and conditions far below Australian low cost airline terms.
But Jetstar was created to operate below QANTAS mainline pay and conditions.
When the bottom is reached do we stop there or start digging harder ?
But Jetstar was created to operate below QANTAS mainline pay and conditions.
When the bottom is reached do we stop there or start digging harder ?
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you might get less pay, and fly your butt off, but at least you will get a command before you get arthritis
I would recommend the opposite to anyone, go for Qantas over JQ. Sure you may not be able to call yourself Captain for a long time but there is much more to life than sitting bored ****less in the left hand seat doing shark patrol.
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"Wonder if JQ Oz pilots will stand up when JQ NZ pilots start doing 3-5 day tours around OZ.....?"
Or you guys could show the rest of us what you will do when Jetconnect does the same thing.........
Or you guys could show the rest of us what you will do when Jetconnect does the same thing.........
from AIPA Insights 25/11/09
AIPA is on the verge of commencing a strategy and campaign to tackle the pilot issues associated with globalisation. As a single, yet important, component of this strategy, the AIPA President is in discussions with our colleagues in New Zealand......
The threat of globalisation is as much a threat to our Jetstar members as it is to our Qantas members.
You could of course just hope for the best
AIPA has left it all twenty years too late; the chickens from their apathy and inaction then and since are now coming home to roost...
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Guys what we are seeing is the result of globalisation where third world countries white ant the first world with unliveable salaries. It has happened across many industries aviation is just another one.
Regulation is the only way to stop it but the government seems hell bent on having a free market in everything so that isn't going to stop the downward spiral.
Not necessarily. Management types look at Asian salaries and think all their Christmas's have come at once. What they forget is to look at is the training budget....
Remember Asian airlines pay for the entire cost of training all their pilots from day one. Try floating that idea around at an Australian airline management meeting.
Regulation is the only way to stop it but the government seems hell bent on having a free market in everything so that isn't going to stop the downward spiral.
Jetstar could base the 787s in Singapore and have a lower cost base compared to Australia.
Remember Asian airlines pay for the entire cost of training all their pilots from day one. Try floating that idea around at an Australian airline management meeting.
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Why don't you stop sniping at each other like children and collectively work together to improve ALL of your fortunes.
I think it must be nearly 10 years I've been watching PPRuNe contributors bitching and moaning at each other it's becoming depressing.
Why not convert the 'armchair-expert' energy into something tangible and actually DO something.
Joining AIPA and the AFAP and the Jet* pilots groups would be a good start.
Sadly I am positive that in 10 years most of you will still be bitching on here at one another, placed right where your employers want you, while the Dixons of this world waltz off to the bank with tens of millions of dollars.
Pilots like to pride ourselves as being a little smarter than most but we sure as hell aren't demonstrating that here or in the way we are handling our careers.
I think it must be nearly 10 years I've been watching PPRuNe contributors bitching and moaning at each other it's becoming depressing.
Why not convert the 'armchair-expert' energy into something tangible and actually DO something.
Joining AIPA and the AFAP and the Jet* pilots groups would be a good start.
Sadly I am positive that in 10 years most of you will still be bitching on here at one another, placed right where your employers want you, while the Dixons of this world waltz off to the bank with tens of millions of dollars.
Pilots like to pride ourselves as being a little smarter than most but we sure as hell aren't demonstrating that here or in the way we are handling our careers.
What about Singapore and Vietnam. Every time you try to bring several opposing parties to the table, management will find another one to use against you.
Sadly this is too little, too late.
AIPA your forefathers have destroyed any chance of one united pilot group, maybe they should try and negotiate some competitive pay scales for their own future survival and then build on it.
Sadly this is too little, too late.
AIPA your forefathers have destroyed any chance of one united pilot group, maybe they should try and negotiate some competitive pay scales for their own future survival and then build on it.
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But Jetstar was created to operate below QANTAS mainline pay and conditions.
When the bottom is reached do we stop there or start digging harder ?
When the bottom is reached do we stop there or start digging harder ?
The problem is with mercenary management hiring or with the ability to hire pilots and cabin crew off shore on unrealistic pay scales for those living in Australia...
The benefit for those office dwellers like Ken Borough is that the airlines cannot bring in office workers from OS easily....
We are a victim of our own circumstances and jealousies of those who work...sorry occupy the offices of our airlines.
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Yes lowerlobe to a degree we are victims of those office dwellers, I have seen that many times.
BUT we are not helping ourselves by constantly niggling at each other and taking pride in the fact 'we' get some little term or condition more than our fellow pilot. Consequently we like to undermine our colleagues so we feel better about our lot.
We may be competitive and that's not a bad thing, but it IS bad when it's at the expense of our fellow pilots. We like to think we're a little smarter than the average bloke on the street but if PPRuNe posts are indicative then we are our own worst enemies not the office dwellers.
And still the cheap sniping and niggling will continue..........
BUT we are not helping ourselves by constantly niggling at each other and taking pride in the fact 'we' get some little term or condition more than our fellow pilot. Consequently we like to undermine our colleagues so we feel better about our lot.
We may be competitive and that's not a bad thing, but it IS bad when it's at the expense of our fellow pilots. We like to think we're a little smarter than the average bloke on the street but if PPRuNe posts are indicative then we are our own worst enemies not the office dwellers.
And still the cheap sniping and niggling will continue..........
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i just had a call from jetstar H.R. They were offering an interview. I asked the base and the pay, and it was a darwin base and the pay was 82,000!!!!!!!
I asked if it was negotiable and they laughed, so i laughed back.
Isn't darwin the most f**king expensive city in australia (and the hottest!!!)
Why would you. Oh yes, and thirty grand for an endorsement.
so make that 52,000.
I asked if it was negotiable and they laughed, so i laughed back.
Isn't darwin the most f**king expensive city in australia (and the hottest!!!)
Why would you. Oh yes, and thirty grand for an endorsement.
so make that 52,000.
Have a look at this: Jetstar Phone Interview
Those guys all seem pretty excited at the prospect of working for the 'shining star' of Australian aviation!
Those guys all seem pretty excited at the prospect of working for the 'shining star' of Australian aviation!
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A. Le Rhone....
What I meant was that the office dwellers exploit human nature....
Imagine if Darth set up a chain of cut price solicitors,medical clinics or whatever just as the LCC's are set up...
Do you think established solicitors and doctors would not be outraged at other solicitors and doctors doing the same jobs for less money and longer hours or whatever just so they can get a job in a certain location..?
There are countless examples of people turning on each other when the chips are down and you are talking about livelihoods being affected or lost.
Personally,I would like to see someone set up a business where they can supply suitably qualified directors for boards.....but for a lot less money.
What I meant was that the office dwellers exploit human nature....
Imagine if Darth set up a chain of cut price solicitors,medical clinics or whatever just as the LCC's are set up...
Do you think established solicitors and doctors would not be outraged at other solicitors and doctors doing the same jobs for less money and longer hours or whatever just so they can get a job in a certain location..?
There are countless examples of people turning on each other when the chips are down and you are talking about livelihoods being affected or lost.
Personally,I would like to see someone set up a business where they can supply suitably qualified directors for boards.....but for a lot less money.