Qantas mainline:Where to from here ?
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Ouch!
Is devestating news for Mainline F/O's & S/O's.
Without a Group Opportunity List, it looks like many Mainline pilots will be grandparents before they get their command.
Pity really. Had AIPA not pulled the funding for Sale Act Case the night before the September 22nd hearing, things may well be different. Tis a real shame.
Jetstar operations could service the bulk of Qantas' international routes within the next decade.
Without a Group Opportunity List, it looks like many Mainline pilots will be grandparents before they get their command.
Pity really. Had AIPA not pulled the funding for Sale Act Case the night before the September 22nd hearing, things may well be different. Tis a real shame.
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I wonder how many Qantas pilots will be asking serious questions of Team Bazza about their future careers at the rescheduled AIPA AGM on Dec 7th?
Now we know why the Sale Act case was pulled at the last minute!
Couldn't risk the company's plans and jeopardise those management jobs now could we boys!
Now we know why the Sale Act case was pulled at the last minute!
Couldn't risk the company's plans and jeopardise those management jobs now could we boys!
Time for F/Os and S/Os to start applying to airlines in Asia and the Middle East. Captains probably better off hanging around to see what happens as they can get a DEC elsewhere if it doesn't work out.
Things should start picking up next year for job seekers.
Things should start picking up next year for job seekers.
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Now we know why the Sale Act case was pulled at the last minute!
Keg's info is old
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Keg, Jetstar may not be getting one of our A330's. That was the plan a while ago. I have heard that because they're getting the high gross weight versions they didn't want our one. So that is an increase in 2 a/c for us, hence the additional 6 Command and 4 FO training slots announced recently. Makes sense anyway.
Metroman, why the hell would you want to go to the middle east/asia just to get a command. You need to realise that there is more to life than flying.
Given the choice of second officer in Qantas or Command in Emirates, I would rather live a comfortable and relaxing life in a 1st world country, than living in an artificial shopping metropolis, working my arse of, just to say "I am a captain".
Metroman, why the hell would you want to go to the middle east/asia just to get a command. You need to realise that there is more to life than flying.
Given the choice of second officer in Qantas or Command in Emirates, I would rather live a comfortable and relaxing life in a 1st world country, than living in an artificial shopping metropolis, working my arse of, just to say "I am a captain".
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Aside from looking to fly into unprofitable routes long abandoned by Qantas, such as Athens and Rome, Jetstar has been considering destinations such as Munich and Milan.
Yes, Borghetti stated the routes wheren't profitable. But the reasoning stated at the time was QF mainline didn't operate daily services which the premium traffic called for & mainline didn't have the aircraft to go daily.
Speaking to Borghetti at the time, he re-affirmed without daily services mainline would never be profitable on those routes. Hence the withdrawl.
Some people want to achieve a goal Mr.Wooby, that's why they will move on.
Complacency in your environment can creep up and bite you. Just ask some other Australian aviators from around the year 2001.
If the guy want's to dust off his resume, don't persecute him for that. He might be a reference in the future.
Complacency in your environment can creep up and bite you. Just ask some other Australian aviators from around the year 2001.
If the guy want's to dust off his resume, don't persecute him for that. He might be a reference in the future.
Metroman, why the hell would you want to go to the middle east/asia just to get a command. You need to realise that there is more to life than flying.
I want to retire looking back on time in the left hand seat and have enough money to enjoy myself.
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Reminds me off a discussion a while ago with a retired captain. He moved away from Sydney because he didn't want to buy in Sydney, said it was to expensive. All his compatriots brought in Sydney. Many years later all those who brought in Sydney were much better off financially than he was. Sure he had brought a cheaper house but never got the gains that those in Sydney got.
Anyway should be able to afford a Sydney house on an SO's wage of 170K+
Anyway should be able to afford a Sydney house on an SO's wage of 170K+
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Metro Man,
I, same as you, would all like to retire comfortably, under the circumstances , the last people to achieve that from Qantas would be Dixon and Joyce.Dixon with his $11 million payout, Joyce will be looking at a siniliar figure.
Joyce is going to destroy mainline to feather his own nest.
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I, same as you, would all like to retire comfortably, under the circumstances , the last people to achieve that from Qantas would be Dixon and Joyce.Dixon with his $11 million payout, Joyce will be looking at a siniliar figure.
Joyce is going to destroy mainline to feather his own nest.
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Why Trash An Iconic Brand ?
Some one at a very senior level is taking a huge gamble with the Qantas name.Never in its history has Qantas been so hammered by the media and so emotionally detached from the travelling public.Decisions taken over the last ten years are now having a devastating effect on the corporation.You cannot have a premium brand if you dont spend money on the hard product.The employee culture has also been destroyed.There is very little cohesion and a great deal of despair.
So why do this?
Initially the plan was to flog Qantas off.....that failed.What we see now is an overhang from that failure.Snippets of information about Joyce being out and about would indicate a change.It has taken ten years to get to this mess.It will take a few years to repair it.Joyce has a lot of balls in the air and he needs to be careful not to drop any.Returning mainline to profit,bolster the share ,re assure shareholders and fix employee morale are but a few of his tasks.Admissions of failure are starting to creep into his announcements.
Retiring of ancient airframes improves bottom line yield by reducing capacity.Is it the beginning of a rebuilding phase?.Qantas needs to lure high yield premium customers back to its premium cabins.It either replaces older airframes with the A380 or refurbish existing aircraft.It needs more medium sized aircraft in its fleet mix now.More A330s are on the way.
Its become a cliche but do we see some greenshoots of rebuilding?.Unfortunatley for Joyce,passengers,shareholders and employees the media is creating confusion by editorialising his pronouncements.
The other theory is that the long long term plan is to marginalise mainline and shift routes/growth to JetStar.When costs have reached the desired level all tails are painted red and white.The problem with this strategy is that there is a high risk of it backfiring and Qantas ends up in the historical "huge corporate screw ups" bin alongside Ansett
So why do this?
Initially the plan was to flog Qantas off.....that failed.What we see now is an overhang from that failure.Snippets of information about Joyce being out and about would indicate a change.It has taken ten years to get to this mess.It will take a few years to repair it.Joyce has a lot of balls in the air and he needs to be careful not to drop any.Returning mainline to profit,bolster the share ,re assure shareholders and fix employee morale are but a few of his tasks.Admissions of failure are starting to creep into his announcements.
Retiring of ancient airframes improves bottom line yield by reducing capacity.Is it the beginning of a rebuilding phase?.Qantas needs to lure high yield premium customers back to its premium cabins.It either replaces older airframes with the A380 or refurbish existing aircraft.It needs more medium sized aircraft in its fleet mix now.More A330s are on the way.
Its become a cliche but do we see some greenshoots of rebuilding?.Unfortunatley for Joyce,passengers,shareholders and employees the media is creating confusion by editorialising his pronouncements.
The other theory is that the long long term plan is to marginalise mainline and shift routes/growth to JetStar.When costs have reached the desired level all tails are painted red and white.The problem with this strategy is that there is a high risk of it backfiring and Qantas ends up in the historical "huge corporate screw ups" bin alongside Ansett
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We're not the rest of society. Airline Pilots are professionals, same as doctors, solicitors, pharmacists, accountants etc. As such we should expect more than a 3 bed room house in the western suburbs and a five year old Commodore.
Try telling a junior solicitor he should be happy to stay on starting pay rates, and give up any thoughts of making partner. After five years in university I don't think he'd be too happy.
Other people may be content to manage and get by. Professional pilots deserve rewards in line with their qualifications and responsibilities.
Try telling a junior solicitor he should be happy to stay on starting pay rates, and give up any thoughts of making partner. After five years in university I don't think he'd be too happy.
Other people may be content to manage and get by. Professional pilots deserve rewards in line with their qualifications and responsibilities.
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Woody744 wrote:next you will tell us Contract 08 was the best thing since slice bread.
I'll hold judgement until I've seen what Team Bazza comes up with, then we'll see. Considering the amount of political energy they spent destroying EBA8 they have a big task ahead of themselves and one hell of a lot of explaining to do if it 'aint better!
Or as I've been hearing around the traps instead of Team Bazza ,Australia has Prime minister Kevin747 and AIPA has President Bazza380! I personally think it's more Bazza180 considering the amount of about-turns he's made since coming to office!
I'll hold judgement until I've seen what Team Bazza comes up with, then we'll see. Considering the amount of political energy they spent destroying EBA8 they have a big task ahead of themselves and one hell of a lot of explaining to do if it 'aint better!
Or as I've been hearing around the traps instead of Team Bazza ,Australia has Prime minister Kevin747 and AIPA has President Bazza380! I personally think it's more Bazza180 considering the amount of about-turns he's made since coming to office!
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I'd like tea and scones with my supper please ,I should be able to fund that before you lot roll over.
Why a new union ,news?, are you lot hell bent on destroying what remains all in the name of engagement are you?
PS I see you've learned to spell super!,
Why a new union ,news?, are you lot hell bent on destroying what remains all in the name of engagement are you?
PS I see you've learned to spell super!,
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