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As Dr Pepz notes, entry into the protected areas of the airport, let alone the aircraft, is prohibited to anyone with a criminal record as they will be screened prior to the issue of the airport pass. It's preposterous to think otherwise. So, that's one BS down.
I've never heard of such an organization in Singapore before. The only official organization involved in the employment of prisoners is SCORE. SCORE - Home
Care to share where you got that info ?
It's been said time and again that the staples were not in the maintenance records and it was not done by the SIAEC guys. These things got discovered 10 months after the a/c left the SIN hangars.
Singapore rejects Qantas claims | The Australian
Couldn't someone from some line station stapled it there during that period? What's the proof that this came from SIN ?
And staying on the subject of staples, I still can't understand how the hell on Earth can you staple on a aluminium back ?
I was there during the period the QF a/c was in the SQ hangar and I clearly remembered a number of QF engineers were there to oversee the work. If that's the case, doesn't it mean that the QF engineers failed in their duty if the allegations are true ?
And do you see SQ a/cs and all the other airlines that send their a/c to SIAEC for that matter falling out of the sky or landing with an explosive decomp etc,etc ? If the work was so substandard, no aviation authority in the world would allow a SQ a/c to fly to their country to pick up pax. All of SIAEC,s certification permits would have been revoked if the allegations were true.
I can understand the Australian engineers and techs frustration and bitterness to see their parent company send their a/c to another MRO instead of them. But to spread baseless lies and questioning another person's professionalism to protect one's own is simply unprofessional and uncivilized to say the least. Simply childish.
But Singapore Prisons Co-operative Enterprises (SPICE) might know something about prisoners being deployed in the airline industry.
Care to share where you got that info ?
It's been said time and again that the staples were not in the maintenance records and it was not done by the SIAEC guys. These things got discovered 10 months after the a/c left the SIN hangars.
Singapore rejects Qantas claims | The Australian
Couldn't someone from some line station stapled it there during that period? What's the proof that this came from SIN ?
And staying on the subject of staples, I still can't understand how the hell on Earth can you staple on a aluminium back ?
I was there during the period the QF a/c was in the SQ hangar and I clearly remembered a number of QF engineers were there to oversee the work. If that's the case, doesn't it mean that the QF engineers failed in their duty if the allegations are true ?
And do you see SQ a/cs and all the other airlines that send their a/c to SIAEC for that matter falling out of the sky or landing with an explosive decomp etc,etc ? If the work was so substandard, no aviation authority in the world would allow a SQ a/c to fly to their country to pick up pax. All of SIAEC,s certification permits would have been revoked if the allegations were true.
I can understand the Australian engineers and techs frustration and bitterness to see their parent company send their a/c to another MRO instead of them. But to spread baseless lies and questioning another person's professionalism to protect one's own is simply unprofessional and uncivilized to say the least. Simply childish.
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In Sydney Heavy there were plenty of LAME's to supervise the work so such quality issues would never eventuate. At most overseas MRO's, you are sometimes lucky to have more than 1 Lame overseeing work on up to 3 aircraft. This is how their operations become so cheap. A handful of QF LAME's maybe sent but not to "supervise and certify" for local's work in the role of a LAME. That is the responsibilty of the MRO. Besides, not enough QF LAME's are sent over to achieve this.
Not quite sure what you are on about, but rest assured staples were on the EEL lighting power strips.
Most QF LAME's are used to the futile rhetoric of Managers banging the same old drum to the tune of
in order to not scare away the travelling public. However as we have worked our system and seen the quality of our own work, then seen the quality of some others in the way they operate, experience speaks alot louder than perception.
Personally, I find it very distasteful and disgusting that such individuals do make these comments based on inexperience. It is a slap in the face to all individuals that worked hard to provide QF and Australians with the Invaluable, but often for-granted safety record they enjoyed up to today. It is almost a suggestion that this record is purely by chance, as every Miantenance organisation operates on the same playing field.... Well we don't.
And staying on the subject of staples, I still can't understand how the hell on Earth can you staple on a aluminium back ?
Most QF LAME's are used to the futile rhetoric of Managers banging the same old drum to the tune of
I can understand the Australian engineers and techs frustration and bitterness to see their parent company send their a/c to another MRO instead of them. But to spread baseless lies and questioning another person's professionalism to protect one's own is simply unprofessional and uncivilized to say the least. Simply childish.
Personally, I find it very distasteful and disgusting that such individuals do make these comments based on inexperience. It is a slap in the face to all individuals that worked hard to provide QF and Australians with the Invaluable, but often for-granted safety record they enjoyed up to today. It is almost a suggestion that this record is purely by chance, as every Miantenance organisation operates on the same playing field.... Well we don't.
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Slightly off topic. years ago Qf would hardly ever release an aircraft into service with a m.e.l applied. The aircraft were also spit and polished prior to the release of a heavy visit. Know having shiny engine cowls and a great paint job isnt exactly necessary, But it tought pride and ownership.The aircraft know look tired and fatigued, I understand pax dont see the outside but when an engineer cant look into a bright shiny wheel well, at what lurks below. then how detailed is his/her inspection going to be. Outsourcing isnt the scourge its made out to be quality control is. H245 used to deliver a quality product after a shakedown flight, that would allow line engineers a relative easy life. When corrogaurded wings look like patch work quilts due to numerous hydraulic leaks it makes you have second thoughts.
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Personally, I find it very distasteful and disgusting that such individuals do make these comments based on inexperience. It is a slap in the face to all individuals that worked hard to provide "fill in airline" and " fill in nationality" with the Invaluable, but often for-granted safety record they enjoyed up to today. It is almost a suggestion that this record is purely by chance, as every Miantenance organisation operates on the same playing field.
Not quite sure what you are on about, but rest assured staples were on the EEL lighting power strips.
However as we have worked our system and seen the quality of our own work, then seen the quality of some others in the way they operate, experience speaks alot louder than perception.
I've seen QF A380s come in here and they almost, on a regular basis, face tech delays of up to hours on a range of issues. Tsk, tsk, where were they maintained to face this amount of problems ?
I don't see the other A380 operators( SQ, EK) facing the same lengthy tech delays.
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I've seen QF A380s come in here and they almost, on a regular basis, face tech delays of up to hours on a range of issues. Tsk, tsk, where were they maintained to face this amount of problems ? I don't see the other A380 operators( SQ, EK) facing the same lengthy tech delays.
Not where were they maintained where were they built, think you will find most A380 delays are production delays, Sq and Ek dont do end to end flights either their 380,s fly,stop and have transits greater than ten hours qf 380,s transit in an hour and a half then fly again big difference with introduction into service.
Not where were they maintained where were they built, think you will find most A380 delays are production delays, Sq and Ek dont do end to end flights either their 380,s fly,stop and have transits greater than ten hours qf 380,s transit in an hour and a half then fly again big difference with introduction into service.
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And staying on the subject of staples, I still can't understand how the hell on Earth can you staple on a aluminium back ?
Not quite sure what you are on about, but rest assured staples were on the EEL lighting power strips.
leewan does not quite know the history of it.
they found the eel strips cut where the floor panels needed to be lifted for
inspection access. inspections carried out during the heavy check.
so obviously the power strips were stapled there.
and the 'guys' overseeeing the check were probably not even licenced on
the type. i personally can think of a couple of 737 lames up there at the time.
And staying on the subject of staples, I still can't understand how the hell on Earth can you staple on a aluminium back ?
Not quite sure what you are on about, but rest assured staples were on the EEL lighting power strips.
leewan does not quite know the history of it.
they found the eel strips cut where the floor panels needed to be lifted for
inspection access. inspections carried out during the heavy check.
so obviously the power strips were stapled there.
and the 'guys' overseeeing the check were probably not even licenced on
the type. i personally can think of a couple of 737 lames up there at the time.
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A380 through SIN.
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I've seen QF A380s come in here and they almost, on a regular basis, face tech delays of up to hours on a range of issues. Tsk, tsk, where were they maintained to face this amount of problems ? I don't see the other A380 operators( SQ, EK) facing the same lengthy tech delays.
Mate, I am one of the guys that certify for QF's A380 operating through SIN and also had to train some of the SIAEC engineers on our product here through SIN and hand everything to them on a silver platter so PLEASE don't get me started. This industry is small and all our tech delays have been valid issues and also in compliance when the rectification is done. This is not the place to spread sensitive matters when I'm personally involved and know what's going on. Talk about something you're more familiar with Please!
I've seen QF A380s come in here and they almost, on a regular basis, face tech delays of up to hours on a range of issues. Tsk, tsk, where were they maintained to face this amount of problems ? I don't see the other A380 operators( SQ, EK) facing the same lengthy tech delays.
Mate, I am one of the guys that certify for QF's A380 operating through SIN and also had to train some of the SIAEC engineers on our product here through SIN and hand everything to them on a silver platter so PLEASE don't get me started. This industry is small and all our tech delays have been valid issues and also in compliance when the rectification is done. This is not the place to spread sensitive matters when I'm personally involved and know what's going on. Talk about something you're more familiar with Please!
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all our tech delays have been valid issues and also in compliance when the rectification is done.
Talk about something you're more familiar with
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To Leewan's quote.
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all our tech delays have been valid issues and also in compliance when the rectification is done.
Are you implying that other airlines tech delays are due to invalid issues and the rectification done is illegal ? And the part about other A380 operators having ground time of more than 10 hours, not true at all as far as SQ is concerned. The average ground time for the whales in SIN is around 4-5 hours.
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Talk about something you're more familiar with
Look at my location ! That's all I can say here.
Leewan...
You sound like a smart guy I give you that but please stop implying that I am also quoting other airlines...very simple...I am talking about QF's A380 ops only through SIN and you would know being from SIN our turn around time for the 'whales'..
all our tech delays have been valid issues and also in compliance when the rectification is done.
Are you implying that other airlines tech delays are due to invalid issues and the rectification done is illegal ? And the part about other A380 operators having ground time of more than 10 hours, not true at all as far as SQ is concerned. The average ground time for the whales in SIN is around 4-5 hours.
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Talk about something you're more familiar with
Look at my location ! That's all I can say here.
Leewan...
You sound like a smart guy I give you that but please stop implying that I am also quoting other airlines...very simple...I am talking about QF's A380 ops only through SIN and you would know being from SIN our turn around time for the 'whales'..
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the cabin crew are calling them the 'A3180' because they seem to return to the terminal on a regular basis without going anywhere.
their performance on armistice day was anything but impressive.
their performance on armistice day was anything but impressive.
