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Sick pilot unable to land Qantas jet in Perth

Old 30th Oct 2009, 07:15
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Nitpicker, no one in Qantas thinks that the F/O can't safely park the aircraft, but when you have a management that is paranoid about keeping the insurance premiums as low as possible then you get SOPS like these.
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 08:25
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Claret and Charlie Lima Xray,

You both forgot one thing:

Pull out your seniority list and cross him off!

PS: I hope the poor guy pulls through OK!
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 08:54
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Well its no wonder the Captain had an issue. The "photo" on the News.com.au website is a QF 787. The Captain obviously suffered a seven years temporal displacement!! Maybe he went to some strange parallel dimension where the thing is actually flying? (Cue Twilight Zone theme)

One wonders why the FO was not similiarly affected.......... an alien perhaps?

Better get News.com.au on to it!
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 09:08
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CK, this one.

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Old 30th Oct 2009, 09:21
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Its just a dream and maybe one day, it will too require a tug..
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 11:26
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Quote:Why would they have needed a tug?

Think about it!
bahahahahhahaha !!!! ..what a crack-up
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 12:53
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We've been allowing this for years in CX and not once has anything un-toward occured. I've found most F/O's quite able to park the beast.
With the Captain backing up on the brakes and watching the terribly complicated taxying manoeuvre it's a no brainer.
And just how many 737's with tillers on the right side does CX have?
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 13:05
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Back in the days of the Airlink/QantasLink BAe146, even with a tiller on the RHS, the F/O was, sadly, prohibited by SOP from taxiing.
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 13:09
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I have never flown the hub-capped maggot so help me out. No NWS on the FO's side, so if the NWS is INOP what does the MEL say?
Some people might be surprised to know that there are jets out there that rely on full rudder then differential braking for directional control.
Oh and well done to the FO.
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 13:29
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Claret,
Airlink/QantasLink BAe146, even with a tiller on the RHS, the F/O was, sadly, prohibited by SOP from taxiing.
with you in said seat, was it any wonder?

No NWS on the FO's side, so if the NWS is INOP what does the MEL say?
My Boeing one says ya can't go. For pretty obvious reasons, I would have thought.

Some people might be surprised to know that there are jets out there that rely on full rudder then differential braking for directional control.
The Mirage was like that. Oh, and the Macchi too.
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 13:32
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Yes the 737 does have nose wheel steering on the FO's side. It is controlled with the rudder pedals but the pedals have limited authority compared to the tiller on the capt's side. Both pilots have nose wheel steering.

Under favourable conditions, the aircraft can be turned 90deg to exit a runway with pedal control of the nose wheel and a given amount of differential thrust and/or and braking. If the FO did not do this, that's his choice and perfectly sound.

Some people get really excited about nothing.
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 13:37
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Not familiar with the 737 but the 747 rudder pedals are coupled to the steering control system. Full rudder deflection provides about 10 degrees of nose wheel steering as against of 70 degrees tiller authority. Should be enough to vacate the runway at a high speed turnoff with rudder steering only if the right hand tiller is not fitted on QF 737s and if the system design is similar to the 747?

Eclan, you have beaten me to it.
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 13:56
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I'm afraid I can't come into work, I'm sick.

How sick are you?

Well I'm in bed with my sister!
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 16:05
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Oh, and the Macchi too.
Oh... the memories...
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 16:53
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The Captains were standing around today in the crew room saying "How did the FO do it". The FOs were standing around on the other side saying "how did you know he was incapacitated"

(this is an old joke and nothing to do with the individuals involved!)
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 20:22
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Okay, I'm gunna be the idiot and ask the obvious question ...

Why didn't the F/O hop into the LHS after the Captain de-planed into the ambulance?

Is it that sacred ?
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 20:30
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Because if the FO cocked it up and damaged something one would imagine some sort of crucification ritual would be held by Management.
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 21:44
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Here's a possibility, after landing.

Park Brake apply.
Help Captain from left seat if not already done so in flight.
F/O climb into left seat.
Adjust rudder pedals and seat position to F/O's liking.
TAXY THE FRIGGIN AIRCRAFT.

Jeez couldn't he find an applicable page in the QRH for the situation.

Peuce.

No it aint sacred mate. After declaring a Pan he was within his rights to make that decision.
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 22:04
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Don't forget. While the guy who has never taxied a Jet with a tiller before is wiggling all over the taxiway, lets make sure he turns off his lights as to not upset the real pilots.

Or maybe he could get a tug to tow him back.
I'm a little concerned that some people think this was the silly thing to do.
I think I'll just stay home from now on with you lot out there.

This place is an embarrassment.
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Old 30th Oct 2009, 22:12
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I mean why didnt the FO just plug in his emergency portable tiller he carries in his nav bag?

SOPs say you can't do it, so he didnt. I have sat there in a sim where the FO was drilled by the senior check for attempting it.

And in reality it is just as easy to be towed off, although a little bit slower.
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