Merged: A330 safety beatup on SUNDAY
I assume this troll is aware of the 777 uncommanded climb events from a couple of years back. From memory they were Adiru related too.
Still, lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Still, lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Tim / Flyboy or whoever has been played by TT like a finely tuned fiddle.
Mate, you've probably got more chance of getting yourself T-Boned by a drunk driver on the way to the airport than something untoward going wrong on your flight.
Mate, you've probably got more chance of getting yourself T-Boned by a drunk driver on the way to the airport than something untoward going wrong on your flight.
despite their best efforts they still included a boeing in the footage - looked like a 737 on finals...
also loved the bit about pilots avoiding flying airbus types...
what a pile of crap...
also loved the bit about pilots avoiding flying airbus types...
what a pile of crap...
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At end of report it said that QANTAS has new procedures to follow if a uncommanded dive re occurs
Like to know what they are and how the pilots that fly these "aircrafts" feel.
Are they in the back of their mind consciously/subconsciously waiting for it to dive.
Like to know what they are and how the pilots that fly these "aircrafts" feel.
Are they in the back of their mind consciously/subconsciously waiting for it to dive.
I'm sure a lot of journo's would like to get that story.....
Two newbies suddenly turn up when this story breaks...mmmmm
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Whilst a good channel 7 beat up, there is unfortunatly some truth to the underlying story. Ie that there is some fault which hasnt been removed and/or positively identified. At this stage airbus has coped the flack because of it design ie computers have ultimate control, but as we have seen boeings can be affected too, just that the pilot has a bit more control in the washup.
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The biggest issue that arises from all this is Channel 7's inability to report anything worth watching regarding aviation. Anyone see their attempt at the "overseas" student language issues at Moorabbin about a year ago?
That time they had a great chance to highlight some of the issues going on at GAAPs and failed (they couldn't even get some of the radio transmissions' subtitles correct); and this time they should've reported on something news-worthy like the EK incident at Tulla and fatigue (an actual problem) but I dare say no one would be interested because it didn't involve everyone's favourite scapegoat.
Anyone know any history behind the 'pilot' who's writing that ridiculous book that was mentioned in the show? I would look it up but don't want to give his confidence/arrogance any more of a boost by adding to his website hit count.
Blueloo, yes Airbus desiged the FBW technology in general terms but they don't make the ADIRUs - the one that suffered the 'erroneous data' issue was made by Northrop Grumman. Refer http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...70_interim.pdf page 57 - also note the corrective action which now sits in paper form in every applicable A330/340's QRHs.
Bit of research from the scaremongers wouldn't go astray - even the rudimentary information mentioned above isn't hard to find.
That time they had a great chance to highlight some of the issues going on at GAAPs and failed (they couldn't even get some of the radio transmissions' subtitles correct); and this time they should've reported on something news-worthy like the EK incident at Tulla and fatigue (an actual problem) but I dare say no one would be interested because it didn't involve everyone's favourite scapegoat.
Anyone know any history behind the 'pilot' who's writing that ridiculous book that was mentioned in the show? I would look it up but don't want to give his confidence/arrogance any more of a boost by adding to his website hit count.
Blueloo, yes Airbus desiged the FBW technology in general terms but they don't make the ADIRUs - the one that suffered the 'erroneous data' issue was made by Northrop Grumman. Refer http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...70_interim.pdf page 57 - also note the corrective action which now sits in paper form in every applicable A330/340's QRHs.
Bit of research from the scaremongers wouldn't go astray - even the rudimentary information mentioned above isn't hard to find.
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Unfortunately once again not only does the media portray Australians as mindless fools but so do you amateurs on this web site. Boeing is bettter, no Airbus is blah blah bah. One horriffic commercial accident to date.
I am appalled and embarrassed by the moronic ramblings posted here.
I am appalled and embarrassed by the moronic ramblings posted here.
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I sort of tend to agree with bluloo. It's definitely shoddy reporting, but what else would you expect from that bastion of quality "journalism".
The core question should have been "Is there an undiagnosed fault in aircraft where computers have the final say in how an aircraft should fly?". It shouldn't single out Airbus or Boeing as both manufacturers have aircraft that are FBW, both manufacturers have had issues related to garbage ADIRU inputs with, in one case catastrophic results, the rest just soiled trousers.
That is a thread that has raged on PPRuNe for a while now, and will probably continue on for some time. Pointing out one manufacturer doesn't make sense when the type of technology is shared.
I for one don't like it when a sophisticated AP just goes "Biddup, biddup, biddup. Your plane buddy, I am out of here".
The core question should have been "Is there an undiagnosed fault in aircraft where computers have the final say in how an aircraft should fly?". It shouldn't single out Airbus or Boeing as both manufacturers have aircraft that are FBW, both manufacturers have had issues related to garbage ADIRU inputs with, in one case catastrophic results, the rest just soiled trousers.
That is a thread that has raged on PPRuNe for a while now, and will probably continue on for some time. Pointing out one manufacturer doesn't make sense when the type of technology is shared.
I for one don't like it when a sophisticated AP just goes "Biddup, biddup, biddup. Your plane buddy, I am out of here".
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Quim,
Other than the coat of paint and the Int J class config on the QF op 332 versus the "borrowed" QF 332 in Jetstar W class / QF Dom J class config with leather covers, what's the difference? 
As far as I can tell from casual observation at the gate, all the J* 330's are in mainline rego, with mainline engineers doing the pushbacks, and mainline engineers doing the line maintenance when the birds are parked - or has something changed?
The Qantas 330's are safe. But I wouldn't fly in the Jetstar 330's for quids!
As far as I can tell from casual observation at the gate, all the J* 330's are in mainline rego, with mainline engineers doing the pushbacks, and mainline engineers doing the line maintenance when the birds are parked - or has something changed?
I think what Keg is referring to, is that a lot of QF pilots like flying antique aircraft, so are more willing to stay on the 767 and 747 then pop off to the bus. There cant be many more years left in these classic aircraft so why not get as much time on the museum pieces as you can before they are taken to the desert and scrapped. Then there will be no choice but to move onto something modern.
Are Jetstar taking all the 787s? It would be nice to see a modern era Boeing in QF colours. Lets just hope it flies some day.
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Are Jetstar taking all the 787s? It would be nice to see a modern era Boeing in QF colours. Lets just hope it flies some day.
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What a disgrace
I believe that the program was an absolute disgrace and was shoddy as hell even by Sunday on Seven's standards (if that's possible). 
The repeated reference to the Air France crash as an A330 when it was an A340 suggests either normal media inaccuracy or deliberate attempt to associate and add credence to a very poorly thought out story.
What peeves me about these programs is a total disregard of the other side of the argument.. ie How many accidents have the system prevented?
Well, we may never know, because of course, they are never documented.
As for the poor sods chucked against the ceiling, not a nice feeling, but was there ANY suggestion that there plight might have been alleviated had they have had their SEAT BELT fastened ??? No, that might have diluted the DRAMA.
The defense by FlyBoy (terrific name , by the way,NOT) aka Tim ham reeks of association with the program that I would be doing my level best to distance myself from.
The repeated reference to the Air France crash as an A330 when it was an A340 suggests either normal media inaccuracy or deliberate attempt to associate and add credence to a very poorly thought out story.
What peeves me about these programs is a total disregard of the other side of the argument.. ie How many accidents have the system prevented?
Well, we may never know, because of course, they are never documented.
As for the poor sods chucked against the ceiling, not a nice feeling, but was there ANY suggestion that there plight might have been alleviated had they have had their SEAT BELT fastened ??? No, that might have diluted the DRAMA.
The defense by FlyBoy (terrific name , by the way,NOT) aka Tim ham reeks of association with the program that I would be doing my level best to distance myself from.
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As for the poor sods chucked against the ceiling, not a nice feeling, but was there ANY suggestion that there plight might have been alleviated had they have had their SEAT BELT fastened ??? No, that might have diluted the DRAMA.
One poor fellow requiring twin full knee reconstructions and still off work as far as I know.