Merged: A330 safety beatup on SUNDAY
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: All over the show like a madwomans crap
Posts: 494
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
poop sticks
Flyboy737800.....Un-commanded dives at any time....? Maybe not....un-commanded rudder hard overs though....?
And Airlines and Airbus have worked out what the problem was, whether or not its related to the AF accident will probably never be known. I fly it, its a safe and reliable aircraft.
And Airlines and Airbus have worked out what the problem was, whether or not its related to the AF accident will probably never be known. I fly it, its a safe and reliable aircraft.
An open mind is ALWAYS, a good thing.
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wherever the job takes me...
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Flyboy, I'm B737-800 & A330 endorsed - and can tell you which one I'd much rather fly. Hint: it ain't built in Seattle.
It seems to me that often the most vocal opponents of Airbus - and those who continually love to tear strips off it - are those who have no experience with the type, and therefore have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
It seems to me that often the most vocal opponents of Airbus - and those who continually love to tear strips off it - are those who have no experience with the type, and therefore have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
Hint: it ain't built in Seattle.
Of course you are comparing the worst Boeing single aisle type against a much newer Airbus wide-body type. I've said for a long time that the A320 is a far superior aircraft to the B737 (all variants) but as far as widebody's go, I believe that the Boeing product is way ahead of Airbus.
Join Date: May 2009
Location: 5th Dimension
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The QF 72 Incident
Talk to the guys involved in the above incident.
They will tell you which aircraft they'd rather fly.
Not only did the event frighten the stuffing out of of them but the treatment and lack of support from Qantas was appalling
They will tell you which aircraft they'd rather fly.
Not only did the event frighten the stuffing out of of them but the treatment and lack of support from Qantas was appalling
Last edited by fishers.ghost; 17th Oct 2009 at 23:08. Reason: error
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Roguesville, cloud cuckooland
Posts: 1,197
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes
on
5 Posts
Fishers Ghost, I'd delete that post if I were you. You are obviously ignorant of many things...even down to the callsign of the aircraft involved. The treatment of the crew from Qantas and the support they received certainly was not how you portray it.
Both Boeing and Airbus have their good and bad points and you can go around in circles for ever. I flew back to Singapore last week on the 330 and was quite impressed with the comfort and noise level, but for long-haul it's terribly slow. 8 hours 15 for BNE to SIN. My last flight from SYD to SIN on the 744 was only 7 hours and 10. ( I know the winds were probably different). To be stuck behind a 330 coming out of Japan is plain agony, like watching paint dry. What is it, the wing or lack of power? You blokes are not flying around with the gear down are you??
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sure reference to QANTAS flight QF 072 Uncommanded dive off N.W.
Cape W.A. will feature on this tonight.
Sunday Night Videos - Yahoo!7 TV
Your flight aboard SQ A-330 may of been slow and comfortable By George, which is fine but the tail staying in place and no un commanded dives, would also of been worthy of note. . .
Cape W.A. will feature on this tonight.
Sunday Night Videos - Yahoo!7 TV
Your flight aboard SQ A-330 may of been slow and comfortable By George, which is fine but the tail staying in place and no un commanded dives, would also of been worthy of note. . .
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Past the rabbit proof fence
Posts: 242
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I am licensed (eng) on lots of boeings and also the A330 - if you 737 pilots new what the 737 wiring looked liked maybe you'd consider flying the vastly superior airbus product.
As for the wings - how many vortex generators do they have to stick on to make it fly somewhat right. Look at the airbus wing - not one, must be superior design by the poms.
Some of you boeing guys need to take a look next time some of the panels are off - I'm sure you'd be interested.
As for the wings - how many vortex generators do they have to stick on to make it fly somewhat right. Look at the airbus wing - not one, must be superior design by the poms.
Some of you boeing guys need to take a look next time some of the panels are off - I'm sure you'd be interested.
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wherever the job takes me...
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks, Going Boeing, for correcting me on that point. However if you want to split hairs, it was always my impression that the fuselage was manufactured in Wichita, whilst the final assembly was at Renton in Seattle. And whilst their HQ may be in Chicago, for me Seattle has always been Boeing Town.
Fair point also about the seemingly unfair comparison between a Boeing narrow vs Airbus widebody type, but I'm afraid they're the only two jets I have any practical knowledge of. I've never had the pleasure of flying any of Boeing's widebodies, but I know they are well loved by most/all who fly them. With that in mind, my post was directed specifically to FlyBoy737-800, because his implication is that his namesake is a better aeroplane than the one being pissed on in this thread - which would be fine if he's qualified to comment on both, but I suspect he's not. On the other hand, I am.
Fair point also about the seemingly unfair comparison between a Boeing narrow vs Airbus widebody type, but I'm afraid they're the only two jets I have any practical knowledge of. I've never had the pleasure of flying any of Boeing's widebodies, but I know they are well loved by most/all who fly them. With that in mind, my post was directed specifically to FlyBoy737-800, because his implication is that his namesake is a better aeroplane than the one being pissed on in this thread - which would be fine if he's qualified to comment on both, but I suspect he's not. On the other hand, I am.
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
FlyBoy737-800, because his implication is that his namesake is a better aeroplane than the one being pissed on in this thread - which would be fine if he's qualified to comment on both, but I suspect he's not. On the other hand, I am.
Do I detect a touch of self-righteous, Judgmentally and a good measure of arrogance here - bunglerat ?
Perhaps there are very good reason reason that there are comments (pissed on in your language) on the A-330, Uncommanded dives without warning is one !!
Do I detect a touch of self-righteous, Judgmentally and a good measure of arrogance here - bunglerat ?
Perhaps there are very good reason reason that there are comments (pissed on in your language) on the A-330, Uncommanded dives without warning is one !!
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Roguesville, cloud cuckooland
Posts: 1,197
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes
on
5 Posts
The 737 has killed many more people with uncommanded flight control excursions than the A330. In fact the A330 has killed none that we know of via that type of event.
The A330 has had one fatal accident in 15 years of revenue operations. I doubt the 737, one of the safest aircraft ever built, could lay that claim.
The A330 has had one fatal accident in 15 years of revenue operations. I doubt the 737, one of the safest aircraft ever built, could lay that claim.
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Airbus A-330
600 in service
Introduced 1992
Boeing 737
6000+ in service
Introduced 1969
Fatal crash rates per million flights
Boeing-737 0.19
Airbus – A330 0.53
F Y I
Douglas DC-10 0.66
Source -
http://airtravel.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=airtravel&cdn=travel&tm=34&f=00&tt=13&bt=1&bts= 1&zu=http%3A//www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm
For your referance Capt Kremin
Fatal Plane Crashes and Significant Events for the A330
600 in service
Introduced 1992
Boeing 737
6000+ in service
Introduced 1969
Fatal crash rates per million flights
Boeing-737 0.19
Airbus – A330 0.53
F Y I
Douglas DC-10 0.66
Source -
http://airtravel.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=airtravel&cdn=travel&tm=34&f=00&tt=13&bt=1&bts= 1&zu=http%3A//www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm
For your referance Capt Kremin
Fatal Plane Crashes and Significant Events for the A330
FlyBoy737800
Sorry they are meaningless statistics when there are 10x the number of B737 compared to A330’s and the B737 has been in service since 1969 versus 1993 for the A330. The mere fact there are considerably less A330’s and the aircraft has been in service only ⅓ the time severely distorts any figures.
Somehow I get the feeling “FlyBoy737800” may be the same troll as “Tim Hamilton”. Date joined 17-10-09, 7 posts all on this thread. As one signed off the other started up.
Sorry they are meaningless statistics when there are 10x the number of B737 compared to A330’s and the B737 has been in service since 1969 versus 1993 for the A330. The mere fact there are considerably less A330’s and the aircraft has been in service only ⅓ the time severely distorts any figures.
Somehow I get the feeling “FlyBoy737800” may be the same troll as “Tim Hamilton”. Date joined 17-10-09, 7 posts all on this thread. As one signed off the other started up.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 244
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Whether the story has an merit or not, as an earlier poster mentioned, the fact the program is heavily sponsored by DJ says a lot.
If DJ were operating the 330 or Qantas was the main sponsor, would this story get a mention? No. Meanwhile, the EK near miss largely escapes a lot of mainstream media coverage.
If DJ were operating the 330 or Qantas was the main sponsor, would this story get a mention? No. Meanwhile, the EK near miss largely escapes a lot of mainstream media coverage.
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wherever the job takes me...
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Do I detect a touch of self-righteous, Judgmentally and a good measure of arrogance here - bunglerat ?