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On behalf of every bogan traveler in Australia, I would like to express my gratitude to the crew at Tiger.
You see, the fact that you are so willing to subsidise my traveling aspirations by paying for your own uniform, taking substandard salaries, taking half the industry standard annual leave, paying for your own parking, bringing your own lunch and generally help in reducing terms and conditions within your industry really enables me to holiday to my hearts content. Without you I would not be able to fly at less than the cost of taking my old VC commodore out for a spin.
Keep up the good work, it must make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that we love ya's all.
You see, the fact that you are so willing to subsidise my traveling aspirations by paying for your own uniform, taking substandard salaries, taking half the industry standard annual leave, paying for your own parking, bringing your own lunch and generally help in reducing terms and conditions within your industry really enables me to holiday to my hearts content. Without you I would not be able to fly at less than the cost of taking my old VC commodore out for a spin.
Keep up the good work, it must make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that we love ya's all.
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''Cashed up expats wanting to return home at all costs have accepted lower conditions than the median (because they can afford to).''
''This in turn creates a new norm in Pay & Conditions'' by
''I heard an ex-Dragonair pilot employed by Tiger is still wearing his old Dragonair uniform.''
Cashed up that much then.
''This in turn creates a new norm in Pay & Conditions'' by
''I heard an ex-Dragonair pilot employed by Tiger is still wearing his old Dragonair uniform.''
Cashed up that much then.
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And why wouldn't you wear an old uniform?
As soon as they start offering a 4 on 4 off pattern on a BNE base I am there as well.....
You see, I have about 6 sets of uniforms so that should last a while and I need to do something when I come back.
Anyone wanna buy a cheap uniform???
As soon as they start offering a 4 on 4 off pattern on a BNE base I am there as well.....
You see, I have about 6 sets of uniforms so that should last a while and I need to do something when I come back.
Anyone wanna buy a cheap uniform???
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Skybus_319 wrote:
Maybe a lot of Tiger's current FOs were Captains, and settled for an FO slot, but if it is why does the Tiger website still advertise for DECs? 
Are they that unsuitable they can't be promoted? Or did you mean they were Cessna Captains before joining Tiger?
It does take plenty of experience, and that is something the majority of Tiger F/O's have. Alot were captains before coming down under back in 2007, but had to settle for F/O slots. There are many at the moment who have more experience on type than Captains
Are they that unsuitable they can't be promoted? Or did you mean they were Cessna Captains before joining Tiger?
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Look at you all, clambering over each other justifying your actions, whether coming back from O/S all cashed up, or just hoping to jump onto your first "Bunsen burner" by selling your Grandmother.
One thing is certain and it's that S.J.S. is running even stronger today than ever before.
Things have changed for the worse in the last 20 years, no question... my jobs pay stagnated the last 3 years, with double the workload. The goal posts have changed for us and we're being taken for granted.
Don't rush to get onto a "burner" boys, because there is alot of money and shortage of experience in many Regionals... and that's right now, not with booming times.
One thing is certain and it's that S.J.S. is running even stronger today than ever before.
Things have changed for the worse in the last 20 years, no question... my jobs pay stagnated the last 3 years, with double the workload. The goal posts have changed for us and we're being taken for granted.
Don't rush to get onto a "burner" boys, because there is alot of money and shortage of experience in many Regionals... and that's right now, not with booming times.
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and that is something the majority of Tiger F/O's have
When all the jet " first timers " stop excepting these supposed horrific conditions, then you can start getting stuck into the handful of " cashed up " expats that are supposedly driving conditions down.
Here's another idea, rather than bitch about the " cashed up " expats, become one and beat the rush
Sort of reminds me of the newbie pilots that would sit in their comfy capital city, whilst some of us where out in the bush doing the hard yards and clocking up the hours, whinging that they can't get a job
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...and that's just it KHF, those mo-fo's that have stuck all cosy around their "training areas"/homes are flooding the GoCats'/PornstarNZ gates, with no experience to offer except a bum on a front window seat at lower cost.
LMC: What's wrong with Darwin? It's well connected now, with also plenty of hot Chicks/Pumas, compared with earlier feral days
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Chocks away, Not so sure about that last comment buddy!!?? Most of the tiger and J*Nz guys I know of have alot of experience to offer !!!!. Much more than most of the ex 1900 nopulse drivers flying around Aust.
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are flooding the GoCats'/PornstarNZ gates, with no experience to offer except a bum on a front window seat at lower cost.
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“Cashed up expats wanting to return home at all costs have accepted lower conditions than the median (because they can afford to).”
Fortunately these people are not required to seek your permission before returning to reside in Australia. They are entitled to return to whatever conditions of employment they chose to so your opinion carries no weight.
“This in turn has created a new norm in Pay & Conditions (lower).”
Maybe it has. Such is free market competition.
“Therefore if an Australian Pilot wishes to be cashed up they are forced to go overseas.”
How high should a salary be before it will “cash you up” and who gets to decide this? You?
Fortunately these people are not required to seek your permission before returning to reside in Australia. They are entitled to return to whatever conditions of employment they chose to so your opinion carries no weight.
“This in turn has created a new norm in Pay & Conditions (lower).”
Maybe it has. Such is free market competition.
“Therefore if an Australian Pilot wishes to be cashed up they are forced to go overseas.”
How high should a salary be before it will “cash you up” and who gets to decide this? You?
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The terms and conditions in Tiger are certainly dissappointing:
However, I can understand why experienced Jet Captains looking for an Australian job are applying to Tiger (yes I did say experienced as contrary to statements by many posters here the vast majority of Tiger Capt's are experienced).
Let's look at the alternatives:
G.A.? - need I say more.
Jet charter / freight operators? - worse than Tiger with antiquated machines.
Virgin? - No more DEC's and low pay ($75 - 100k) / relatively slow (3-6yrs now) progression to command.
JQ? - As above
QF? - S/O (starting salary circa $38k, 18 mths to crack $100k exc. allowances), very limited progression.
Tiger? - LHS A320 day 1, $170 - $200k
If I were in the last 5 - 10 years of my career, looking for employment then it seems a no-brainer to me.
No I do not like it, but I do understand it.
I very much doubt the answer will be found by industrial means. It is more likely that the atrophy of pilots Terms and Conditions worlwide will continue unless the supply of pilots dwindles. Airlines know this, hence the race to cadet schemes. To an 18 year old kid in school, $50k to sit in a Jet is dream money, to the airline it saves thousands. LCC's in Europe have been doing this for years.
7 years later and blogs is a 26 year old Captain earning $190k, he is still miles in front of his mates in other professions and scoring way more often (if u know what I mean 
).
3 years after that,
bored to death with Aviation and the prospect of doing the same job for another 30 years, which he never really had a passion for anyway, blogs gets himself a degree and trots off to another career. Blogs is replaced by blogs Jnr and the cycle continues. It's happenning now!
I know this does not paint a pleasant picture, but this is happenning now, today.
However, I can understand why experienced Jet Captains looking for an Australian job are applying to Tiger (yes I did say experienced as contrary to statements by many posters here the vast majority of Tiger Capt's are experienced).
Let's look at the alternatives:
G.A.? - need I say more.
Jet charter / freight operators? - worse than Tiger with antiquated machines.
Virgin? - No more DEC's and low pay ($75 - 100k) / relatively slow (3-6yrs now) progression to command.
JQ? - As above
QF? - S/O (starting salary circa $38k, 18 mths to crack $100k exc. allowances), very limited progression.
Tiger? - LHS A320 day 1, $170 - $200k
If I were in the last 5 - 10 years of my career, looking for employment then it seems a no-brainer to me.
No I do not like it, but I do understand it.
I very much doubt the answer will be found by industrial means. It is more likely that the atrophy of pilots Terms and Conditions worlwide will continue unless the supply of pilots dwindles. Airlines know this, hence the race to cadet schemes. To an 18 year old kid in school, $50k to sit in a Jet is dream money, to the airline it saves thousands. LCC's in Europe have been doing this for years.
7 years later and blogs is a 26 year old Captain earning $190k
, he is still miles in front of his mates in other professions and scoring way more often (if u know what I mean ).3 years after that,
bored to death with Aviation and the prospect of doing the same job for another 30 years, which he never really had a passion for anyway, blogs gets himself a degree and trots off to another career. Blogs is replaced by blogs Jnr and the cycle continues. It's happenning now!I know this does not paint a pleasant picture, but this is happenning now, today.
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Ease up Nutty Professor.
If anything I was making reference to the law of unintended consequences and the viscious cycle created by poor Pay & Conditions forcing people to work off-shore.
If anything I was making reference to the law of unintended consequences and the viscious cycle created by poor Pay & Conditions forcing people to work off-shore.
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longjohn - I note you quote FO salaries for Virgin, JQ and QF initial training fee for a SO, yet you quote "Tiger LHS A320 $170-$200". Why not quote the RHS (FO) like you have for the rest of them?
More to the point, (note MRSheffield's post #26) just how much additions to basic salary does a Tiger Capt attract?
It's a hell of a gap between $112K P/A basic to $170K-$200K!!!
Anyone like to comment on where the real remuneration lies?
It's a hell of a gap between $112K P/A basic to $170K-$200K!!!
Anyone like to comment on where the real remuneration lies?
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Pigdriver & Pussypower;
On re-reading what I wrote I can see how you read it.
I was commenting further from HongKongFooeys post on those that haven't been bothered venturing from home to gain experience, flooding the gates of those operators ("Sort of reminds me of the newbie pilots... )
It was no comment passing judgement on those there currently.
On re-reading what I wrote I can see how you read it.
I was commenting further from HongKongFooeys post on those that haven't been bothered venturing from home to gain experience, flooding the gates of those operators ("Sort of reminds me of the newbie pilots... )
It was no comment passing judgement on those there currently.
Nor the people employing it!!
Jesus there is some sh!t on here.
I've only read half this sh!t and I'm incensed already.
Oz biggles
Cathay pilots DO pay for parking in HK s does Dragonair
Adelaide down to 1 or 2 overnights??? Bull**** - there are NO overnights in Tiger
25 days leave ?? NO 25 days leave plus 14 for for public holidays PLUS normal days off thrown in whilst on leave. Better than most airlines (at least something is better.
BUZZY - you are a total D/ckhead, you always have been. Fark off until you have something mature and sensible to contribute
I've only read half this sh!t and I'm incensed already.
Oz biggles
Cathay pilots DO pay for parking in HK s does Dragonair
Adelaide down to 1 or 2 overnights??? Bull**** - there are NO overnights in Tiger
25 days leave ?? NO 25 days leave plus 14 for for public holidays PLUS normal days off thrown in whilst on leave. Better than most airlines (at least something is better.
BUZZY - you are a total D/ckhead, you always have been. Fark off until you have something mature and sensible to contribute
I am a cashed up expatriate. And frankly, it is no business what I come home to work for.
When I was working in Australia, professional pilots such as Buzzy from Virgin Blue worked for a fraction of what I did. And they paid for the privilege too. Impulse and National Jet were desperados; but I always felt Virgin Blue drivers took the cake- 100K a year for a Training Captain whilst the incumbents were on 200 to 240K. And they loved to hide behind the pilot dispute skirt as well....
So. I would like to work part time with Tiger. Money is not an issue. I'd prefer to fly their jets than buy my own. I will do 400 hours a year for 150 AUD per hour flat rate as a DEC ( 12,000 hours Airbus ). I would like a membership at the Royal Melbourne thrown in too.
That a Virgin Blue pilot such as Buzzy takes the piss with the COS of Australian airline pilots completes the race to the bottom dictum!
When I was working in Australia, professional pilots such as Buzzy from Virgin Blue worked for a fraction of what I did. And they paid for the privilege too. Impulse and National Jet were desperados; but I always felt Virgin Blue drivers took the cake- 100K a year for a Training Captain whilst the incumbents were on 200 to 240K. And they loved to hide behind the pilot dispute skirt as well....
So. I would like to work part time with Tiger. Money is not an issue. I'd prefer to fly their jets than buy my own. I will do 400 hours a year for 150 AUD per hour flat rate as a DEC ( 12,000 hours Airbus ). I would like a membership at the Royal Melbourne thrown in too.
That a Virgin Blue pilot such as Buzzy takes the piss with the COS of Australian airline pilots completes the race to the bottom dictum!