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Old 29th Sep 2009, 05:05
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Metro man, sorry mate I forgot to update my profile on Prune, I do hold a command on A320&A330 + PIC on type, and YES also an Aussie licence.

I also worked for a low cost Airline some years ago so I know what to expect.
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 05:41
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With that you should be well up on the list. If it's going to be a retirement job for a few years and you know what to expect then why not. A few ex airline drivers hit by age 60 limits where they were working are in there, as are one or two who got sick of China Airlines/EVA Air.
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 05:58
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Tiger employing is F*****G excellent news. Bring it on. We all need some good news.

And with Jetstar on the verge of doubling there 330 fleet, things are starting to look a bit positive for once.

Maybe we'll have the upper hand again soon when EBAs come up for negotiation.
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 06:00
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Now thats optimistic thinking.....
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 06:09
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Yeah great flock to the companies offering rubbish thinking how it will all change when things pick up..Dreaming..
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 07:23
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If anyone does have there conditions could they please post them for all to see..
F/O
  • 75K base
  • $36 per flight hour
  • $20K bonus every 3 years
CAPT
  • 112K base
  • $75 per flight hour
  • $30K bonus every 3 years
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  • $40 uniform allowance per month
  • 5 in every 15 days OFF (minimum)
  • 10 or 15K bond for 2 years
  • 10 sickies per year
  • 25 days annual leave per year
  • Time to command for suitable pilots: 12 months in Tiger or 1000hrs A320
Pay your own uniform, parking & meals. Expect 800-1000 hrs per year.
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 07:55
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Any airlines still around offering decent conditions ? Ideally I'd like:

1. All training, including initial licence paid for.
2. Good salary
3. Working 5-600 hours a year.
4. 5* hotels and good allowances on night stops
5. Good staff travel, Capt. First/FO Business class confirmed
6. Retire at 55-60 on an inflation proof pension.

Something like British Airways 1970s appeals. Do these type of conditions still exist anywhere ?
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 07:57
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Thanks Mr Sheffield for the the info. Have to admit that I would never start out in this business if a Captaincy at Tiger was the best pay and conditions I could ever expect!
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 08:41
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Metroman...the only jobs that exist like that anymore are high end corporate, or a contract here and there.
I'm about to sign on the dotted line for a 757/767 job that offers all of the requested perks..except its only for 6 months at a time(renewable).
With regards to a pension, look offshore in the various tax havens around the world and look at index linked investment funds....a much better rate of return, and by inference...inflation adjusted!
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 09:43
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Tiger have attracted a lot of guys from overseas to return to Australia after earning the coin abroad.

For ~180K a year a Captain in MEL can operate on on a 5on/4off/5on/2off fixed roster and be home everynight.

For ~105K an FO can upgrade alot quicker than say the Virgin or Qantas. Some have found themselves Command with no prior jet experience in under 18 months.

Not all about $$$, I don't see the point in bagging their T&Cs, to my understanding its very comparable to Jetstar and probably a tad lower than say VB, but with the perks mentioned above. If you dont like it, don't apply, coz Tiger certainly have no shortage of applications on their desks.

Dont Jetstar and VB make you pay for endo too? (whether salary sacrafice or not).

I guess if you want the best work for QF. But good luck with that!
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 11:15
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Pay your own uniform, parking & meals. Expect 800-1000 hrs per year


Some have found themselves Command with no prior jet experience in under 18 months.
Great....Then what?

Go overseas to earn a decent living...and when you're sick of that...

Tiger have attracted a lot of guys from overseas to return to Australia after earning the coin abroad.
...Perpetuate the cycle.


Not all about $$$
Or sick days...or holidays...or a parking spot...or a company uniform...or adequate sustenance...or...
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 11:19
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singapore

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ATW Daily News

Tiger Airways, ST Aerospace to bring MPL license to Singapore
Tuesday September 29, 2009
Resource Center

ST Aerospace announced yesterday that its commercial pilot training operation ST Aviation Training Academy has partnered with Singapore-based LCC Tiger Airways for A320 pilot training under STATA's Multi-crew Pilot License curriculum.

STATA was created by ST Aerospace two years ago to respond to projected demand for significant numbers of new pilots in the Asia/Pacific region over the next 20 years (ATWOnline, Sept. 5, 2007).

The MPL program with Tiger will launch with six cadet pilots and last approximately two years, STATA said. Students will undergo ground school in Singapore and flight training in Ballarat, Australia, before returning to Singapore for flight training in a multicrew environment. Last year an Australian subsidiary of STATA acquired the Bruce Hartwig Flying School (ATWOnline, Sept. 1).

STATA said that upon program completion it will "validate the trial in close collaboration with major industry players [including] national aviation authorities, educational institutions, simulation experts and renowned aviation professionals." The six students are expected to graduate together and will receive an MPL issued by the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore.

On successful completion of the course, Tiger will provide the selected trainees with "Conditional Contracts of Employment, subject to the MPL license that will be issued by CAAS, the trainees meeting the carrier's stringent flying standards and the prevalent pilot requirement of the airline."
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 12:49
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Very hard to come across an Airline with zero overnights. The Tiger Adelaide base overnights are gone as of next week and Melbourne base will have 1 or 2 flights a week as Skybus_319 mentioned when new Summer schedules start next week.

There still are many F/Os waiting for a command upgrade, most who held a Captain position before TT and had to settle for a F/O slot. So bit of a wait yet.

Dont Jetstar and VB make you pay for endo too? (whether salary sacrafice or not).
Yes except J* charges some outrageous price for a few sim rides
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Old 29th Sep 2009, 14:48
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Go overseas to earn a decent living...and when you're sick of that...
Not just Tiger, why stick around in Australia with the deteriorating conditions and stratospheric tax rates. Get the endorsement on a B737/A320 1000hrs on type, find a decent airline overseas (admittedly getting more difficult). Enjoy a rewarding career, cash up, return home, fly for a few more years then retire to Cairns/Cooly/NSW North coast.
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Old 30th Sep 2009, 06:32
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I note from the ad/website for pilots that Tiger will only call those shortlisted for an interview "due to the high number of applications".

Anyone know when they will start making contact with these people??.
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Old 1st Oct 2009, 02:04
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Pay to park your car at your own work?
We really are in a race to the bottom.
I used to like to encourage kids to become pilots. I honestly can't do it anymore.
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Old 1st Oct 2009, 02:43
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Most workers who use a car to get to work have to pay for parking. A carpark as part of the 'package' is not that common. Most people who go to work have to pay for their clothes, at least as you wear a uniform it is a tax deduction.
The days of a great contract may be out the window, but how many people enjoy the privilege of actually loving the work they do?
The Glory days are well and truly gone, I wish they weren't but as Ned Kelly said "Such is Life".
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Old 1st Oct 2009, 02:54
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Pay your own uniform, parking & meals. Expect 800-1000 hrs per year.
Christ.

Even backward G.A. companies in little old NZ provide free parking and uniforms!!
 
Old 1st Oct 2009, 04:00
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Metro, come to Dragon, I think it meets/exceeds all your wishes ( and you don't need an endorsement )
On the down side, you have to live in Hong Kong, breathe the air ( some days can be literally cut with a knife ) and have the pleasure of working at an airline that is stuck in the 50s WRT to training, that is to say, there is none ( that said, most of the Checkies are quite practical within the bounds of the CADs last century thinking )
If CX don't completely destroy our outfit, we should be hiring again in 2 years
There is ALWAYS a price to be paid my friend
Cheers
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Old 1st Oct 2009, 04:25
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Most workers who use a car to get to work have to pay for parking. A carpark as part of the 'package' is not that common.
I'd love to be corrected, but I don't know of any full time airport staff that pay for airport parking. That includes security, cleaners, food & beverage staff, airside workers, police, airport management, airline management, etc. But if you're a GoKat pilot...

Most people who go to work have to pay for their clothes
I'd love to be corrected, but I don't know of any full time airport staff that pay for uniforms. That includes security, cleaners, food & beverage staff, airside workers, police, airport management, airline management, etc. But if you're a GoKat pilot...
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