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Melbourne LMO Merger

Old 7th Sep 2009, 09:46
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Melbourne LMO Merger

A lot of talk about displacing 12 SIT LAMEs but any word on the southern joining of terminals ? Any casualties ? Any winners ?
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Old 7th Sep 2009, 19:41
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yeah mate.. casualties- international line maint
winners:- the blue team.

Why bother... Jetstar already going to do the SYD_MEL route, whats next?
Get us all to domestic then threaten us with Jetstar ???

Mutha Frs
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Old 9th Sep 2009, 11:26
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yeah mate.. casualties- international line maint
winners:- the blue team

Why turn this into a red team blue team thing?

I am not condoning the actions of management (mis-management) which has led to this situation for one minute however your job is not under any threat with this proposal nor is the shift pattern and you don't even have to go the nasty hangar.

Most of the MDT guys believe it or not are sympathetic to the plight of the MIT guys however it appears the noisy minority just won't let go of the QF good old days and are hell bent on getting some retribution.
We also had the TN good old days but unfortuantely for both groups those days are long gone.

For the better of everyones future in MEL if you, as your alias suggests, have had a gutfull then do us all a favour and just leave.
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Old 10th Sep 2009, 11:30
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Looks like the local management have completely derailed the merger.Word on the street suggests the troops have had enough re lack of training.It all seems to be one way when dealing with management.What happened to the new leaders.
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Old 11th Sep 2009, 20:42
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Bumpfoh... you are spot on. I would love to leave...The last 5 years of watching this (mis)management, have broken my resolve and my continued desire to be part of this once great industry.

Management 1 - Me 0

But, after all these years of dedicated service, its going to cost them for that pleasure: $$$$$$$ VR!!

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Old 12th Sep 2009, 03:16
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Any further developments ? Looks like full steam ahead regardless hadagutful is that you impression ? I do wish though that you guys stopped you're infighting it only aids management get there way look wat it's done to SIT young versus old the only ones to blame is The managers they lost the contracts deliberately now we pay the price.....again
A mate from brissie is attending an 800 cousre there next week will the weather be good I want to visit him a couple of times
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Old 12th Sep 2009, 04:12
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If you have 747 and / or 767 license, QF doesn't want you any longer.
The buggery campaign is alive and well.
Don't give in and leave without a VR package.
QF is hoping you will.
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Old 12th Sep 2009, 12:34
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Guys.. there is not any infighting...
I simply made a remark that Domestic will be the winners from the "re-organization" of the international operation both in SYD and MEL.
My reference to the "Blue Team" is just an expression from the old days and not meant to be degrading in any way....
Its just a bit of a kick when we have to change our whole way of operating to support the domestic schedule... Qantas does also have in international operation! . Also, we were proud to be bringing in good revenue from customers and showing them time and time again why we are amongst the worlds best engineers when the Shyte hit the fan with their aircraft.

As for me, I dont care what management think... I have had it and want to go.
Simple as that... my decision, not theirs.

But I wont leave on their terms.... It will be on my terms and im prepared to wait.
If I got to work with domestic.. so be it. Ill do it with a smile and full co operation.
No hard feelings from me
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Old 17th Sep 2009, 17:22
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Management are hard to keep up with.One minute its No next minute its Yes.I wonder what made them elevate all the AME's to LAME's in MEL.Word on the street the Big Controller from Syd said NO NO NO last Friday.LOST and OUT of CONTROL.Does that best describe QF management?
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Old 18th Sep 2009, 11:28
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Saw the notice WTF happened in Melb today ?
If management don't tell lies why can't we record the meeting surely thats beneficial for both sides ?
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Old 19th Sep 2009, 04:17
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Change can be stressful in work as in life. We in Perth LMO have had to live with it for about 3years now. All I can suggest is, come and go to work and spend as much time as you can with your families/friends, eventually things will seem rosier. Combining the work force can be ok - if nothing else it can increase your circle of friends!
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Old 22nd Sep 2009, 08:32
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Oh nice one Mr Quiet, so we only get 18 a330 courses if we merge ? I for one are sick and tired of the hollow threats, bring on the vote !!!
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Old 4th Oct 2009, 01:42
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What;s The Latest?

Heard on the grape vine that some big meeting happened in MEL last week. Head HR buffoons traveled south to meet with troops. Anybody know what went on? I'm still out here, but unable to tap normal sources.
Also heard that Line Management from SYD are not fully on board with MEL manager's dream. How does that happen? Who calls the shots? The manager or the manager's manager?
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Old 5th Oct 2009, 01:49
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Let's Keep This Going

Lost momentum?
This is an important thread.
I'm sure the results of the merge meeting will be revealed soon. The ALAEA takes time to respond etc.
We need a little bird in local management to wet our appetite of the impending doom to come. That's all they are good for. Why do they do that? Boredom? Their jobs, having been turned into paper pushers, gives them too much time on their hands. Must do something I suppose.
We are told that if the merge does not take place, the downfall of QF will be imminent. Is our little corner of the world, so vital to the "big picture" they so often talk about? I think not. Come on! The money they have wasted on this failure of an idea is more than their combine bonuses.
We are told that if the merge does not take place, we will all loss our jobs. We LAME's are a dying breed. They need more of us to keep the buckets flying. If you can stand to work for QF, you will have a job until you retire.
Please keep this thread "moving forward". (You like that kind of talk? I just got all hot and bothered.)
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Old 5th Oct 2009, 05:09
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Who are you Ataloss ? From your massive sudden keen interest in what is happening with various industrial issues are you the next prong of a management scheme ? Are you trying to stoke discussion for some ammo ? I sincerely hope not, it is a sad state of affairs that QF management could be so underhanded in literally every dealing, if they could change tack, come out and say 'this is out 5 /10/20 year plan' you might get some respect from the troops who might actually work to change with you. Stinks of desperation to me mr ataloss.
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Old 5th Oct 2009, 06:33
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Hello Mr 600ft-lb.
My keen interest has awoken form the various forums I've been trolling thorough of late. Usually, I just read, laugh and move on. But I've had a bit of time on my hand these past few days, so I thought, why not put my musings for all to read.
May I ask, is it normal for you to attack newbies with accusations of management black ops? Wouldn't it be smarter, to just sit back, and see what opinions and thought provoking discussion I might invoke?
It seems you may be living ga ga land thinking the company will ever tell the truth or let us in on what they have planned.
Let's have some input from the MEL DMMs. They are the ALAEA members that push the company's words on the merge. Have they been doing their bit to undermine the membership resolve?
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Old 7th Oct 2009, 05:19
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Well , here we go again " brothers " you blokes have no shame ,forget your AME mates again . No doubt , SP will be big noting himself to the ACTU.Bludgers!
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Old 7th Oct 2009, 14:29
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Syd Int'l Transfers & Mel Lmo Mergers

The big shift to Base from S.I.T. has all of a sudden fallen very quiet. Either no one knows what is happening, or those in the know are not saying and will drop it on the chosen 12 at the last minute. Maybe management is in a pickle, as the 12 they want to move can't be moved due to their time in the company, or their licences they need.

As for the proposed MEL merger, it is difficult to merge two totally seperate operations and ways of doing things into one operation and expect it to work. There will be those who won't mind the merger, and there will be those who will oppose it with all their energy. And at what cost to all the players involved? Morale is virtually extinct within the company in all sections, and this forced merger, and transfers will only help to erode what sliver of morale is left.

Below is management's thinking:

A woman in a hot air balloon, realising she was lost, reduced altitude and spotted a man below. She descended further and shouted to the man "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet her an hour ago, but I don't know where I am".

The man below replied, "You're in a hot air balloon, hovering approximately 30 feet above the fround. You're between 40 and 41 degrees north latitude and between 59 and 60 degrees west longitude."

"You must be in I.T." said the balloonist.

"Actually, I am" replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well" answered the balloonist, "everything you have told me is technically correct, but I've no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help at all. if anything, you've delayed my trip."

The man below responded, "You must be in management."

"I am" replied the balloonist. "But how did you know?"

"Well", said the man. "You don't know where you are or where you're going. You have risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise, which you've no idea how to keep, and you expect people beneath you to solve your problems. The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my fg fault."

Does the above sound familiar?
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Old 3rd Nov 2009, 03:36
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Peace at Last??

Haven't been any updates to this thread recently, just wondering why?

I heard a rumour from a source in Syd that the merger is about to happen down south. Is this true? Does that mean the union and company have agreed on the rather extensive list of "matters for consideration" put forward by the union?

Or have there been negotiations - in which case I hope they were recorded so there can be no mis-interpretation at a later date.

Anyone heard anything?
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Old 3rd Nov 2009, 05:53
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Hello Travelling Engineer. Just this morning I received word that local MEL management have finally notified their staff of a 23Nov merge. They didn't say what year that would be. No mention of union / staff agreement or the like. Maybe ALAEA could let us know if there has been an agreement behind closed doors. Interesting times will become the norm down south, if this goes ahead.
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