What's the real truth behind Jet Connect?
Some people on here crack me up with their "high horse" attitudes.
There are good pilots and not so good pilots everywhere. Qantas isn't filled with superior pilots but they do have a culture of sticking fairly rigidly to SOPS and taking their training seriously. In my opinion thats the biggest decider on an airlines safety. I've flown with mainline guys, jetconnect guys, jetstar guys, Air NZ guys, military guys, there were top notch pilots and average pilots in all five groups. If one thing did stand out about the mainline guys (personal opinion only obviously) it's that I think the authority gradient in the flight-deck was perhaps a tad steeper than the others. Whether thats a good thing or bad thing depends on the situation I guess.
Correct. You've just jumped through more hoops than everyone else because thats what your company requires of you. I think though that the ongoing training at mainline(I'm thinking classroom stuff) results in the mainline guys probably being a bit more current with emergency proceedures than others which has gotta be a good thing.
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There are good pilots and not so good pilots everywhere. Qantas isn't filled with superior pilots but they do have a culture of sticking fairly rigidly to SOPS and taking their training seriously. In my opinion thats the biggest decider on an airlines safety. I've flown with mainline guys, jetconnect guys, jetstar guys, Air NZ guys, military guys, there were top notch pilots and average pilots in all five groups. If one thing did stand out about the mainline guys (personal opinion only obviously) it's that I think the authority gradient in the flight-deck was perhaps a tad steeper than the others. Whether thats a good thing or bad thing depends on the situation I guess.
QF pilots have to jump through a bunch of hoops that others don't and at the end of it we're supposedly no better than anyone else.
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QF INSIDER,
QLINk is next, you can bet your @rse on that. And what is wrong with it by the way?
Where were you/AIPA and your cronies when SAA was dissolved. Where were the same usual suspects when QF bought out Impulse and the whole thing with JQ kicked off.
This has been done to death before I know, but Mainline has never given a toss about anybody but themselves until now. Why? Well you know the answer to that. You don't need me or anyone else to explain the answer to you.
As mentioned here in another thread, QLINK have signed off on a Narrow Body jet clause in their last EBA. There will be a need for a 90-120 seat a/c in the full service sector and you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be Mainline crewing it.
The really sad thing in all of this is that "The Company" has played us all like a fiddle. We should have learnt from history and past mistakes but we are all just too dumb. The "I'm alright Jack" mentality that exists here in OZ has fukced us all forever.
QLINk is next, you can bet your @rse on that. And what is wrong with it by the way?
Where were you/AIPA and your cronies when SAA was dissolved. Where were the same usual suspects when QF bought out Impulse and the whole thing with JQ kicked off.
This has been done to death before I know, but Mainline has never given a toss about anybody but themselves until now. Why? Well you know the answer to that. You don't need me or anyone else to explain the answer to you.
As mentioned here in another thread, QLINK have signed off on a Narrow Body jet clause in their last EBA. There will be a need for a 90-120 seat a/c in the full service sector and you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be Mainline crewing it.
The really sad thing in all of this is that "The Company" has played us all like a fiddle. We should have learnt from history and past mistakes but we are all just too dumb. The "I'm alright Jack" mentality that exists here in OZ has fukced us all forever.
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You are correct Regional jets within a couple years with QLink management having already been assessing the C Series. However i suspect that Q management will take the opportunity to screw everyone flying a red tail aircraft. The RJ's will take flying away from the 737's and these pilots will be told they can fly the rj's but at regional wages as there will be no work otherwise for them , remember QLINK is only a marketing Company with associated "contractors". EEA and SSA will remain turbo prop drivers. Cobham may get the C series to replace 717's also but at SSA/EEA wages.
Meanwhile JStar continues to grow as QANTAS Shrinks.
You are correct Regional jets within a couple years with QLink management having already been assessing the C Series. However i suspect that Q management will take the opportunity to screw everyone flying a red tail aircraft. The RJ's will take flying away from the 737's and these pilots will be told they can fly the rj's but at regional wages as there will be no work otherwise for them , remember QLINK is only a marketing Company with associated "contractors". EEA and SSA will remain turbo prop drivers. Cobham may get the C series to replace 717's also but at SSA/EEA wages.
Meanwhile JStar continues to grow as QANTAS Shrinks.
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QLINk is next, you can bet your @rse on that.
Early 1996, those at Southern undercut Eastern Airlines pilots on the pay rates to fly the BAE 146.
Southern then operated the BAE146 from Oct 96 thru Oct 06 before the aircraft were then transferred to National jet.
Looking after ones owns self interests has never been a quality unique to mainline.
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This has been done to death before I know, but Mainline has never given a toss about anybody but themselves until now.
Still, you keep telling yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to maintain the rage against the mainline drivers.
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Good on you Norm,
I wasn't any part of Qantas and certainly not a cronie, so give me a break on the vitriol..
Keep the fires burning as people like you with that attitude make Oldmeadow's job oh so easy..
I wasn't any part of Qantas and certainly not a cronie, so give me a break on the vitriol..
Keep the fires burning as people like you with that attitude make Oldmeadow's job oh so easy..
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Forgetting the usual "nyah-nyah" vitriol for a moment;
I would like to see a cost comparison of the current/proposed entire Jetconnect operation compared to closing it down and mainline flying across the Tasman as it used to,
With AOC and all the management costs of a separate company I would be suprised if Mainline were not cheaper!
I would like to see a cost comparison of the current/proposed entire Jetconnect operation compared to closing it down and mainline flying across the Tasman as it used to,
With AOC and all the management costs of a separate company I would be suprised if Mainline were not cheaper!
Vigi-one, it is the SSA EBA that now has Regional Jet pay scales in it. Something similar to VB E-jet rates if I remember correctly. I suspect that the current Cobham contract won't be continued after its current term.
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Just a question,
How many times a year would a Jetconnect, qantas mainline and express freighter australia pilot/s go and do training in the 737 simulator??? just curious. Is the airline/s standards higher than the CASA CAR 217 and the NZ caa equivelant check/training needs/requirements??
How many times a year would a Jetconnect, qantas mainline and express freighter australia pilot/s go and do training in the 737 simulator??? just curious. Is the airline/s standards higher than the CASA CAR 217 and the NZ caa equivelant check/training needs/requirements??
