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airtags, you have no idea what you are talking about. You can't have George from Catering's Aunty on the assist jumpseat. It's for travel beneficiaries of the aircrew who are operating on that flight! 
Not any staff passenger.
Oh, and it's already policy, which means it's effective immediately. A FSO makes it policy.
Not any staff passenger.Oh, and it's already policy, which means it's effective immediately. A FSO makes it policy.
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So for all the hyperventilating going on in some quarters, there is the rub.
It will only be used for family of operating crew members, not just tech crew.
No general staff travellers, no fare paying pax.
They won't be small children and it will be used only as a last resort.
I can't see the problem myself, nor can I see it being availed upon as a matter of routine. Sounds like a positive to me but you wouldn't know that from some of the hyperbole being generated here.
It will only be used for family of operating crew members, not just tech crew.
No general staff travellers, no fare paying pax.
They won't be small children and it will be used only as a last resort.
I can't see the problem myself, nor can I see it being availed upon as a matter of routine. Sounds like a positive to me but you wouldn't know that from some of the hyperbole being generated here.
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oh for goodness sake - please lighten up funbags -
I'm well aware of the policy detail - I was simply using a tabloid analogy to illustrate a point and paint a picture.
If it helps, I'm happy to edit the post to assist comprehension for those who find it difficult to imagine what 'George from Catering's Aunty' probably looks like!
Irrespective of one's visualisation skills, putting someone behind me on the F/D jump seat and putting someone on a CC jump seat at a primary door are two very different things.
May well it be proclaimed on an FSO but an Operator dashing off an FSO before lunch does not negate the points listed in my post. The FSO has been hurrriedly issued without the necessary regulatory provisions being addressed - and that's something we all should be concerned about. It's also gone out (I'm reliably told) without consulting the CC world.
No I know the latter is certainly not necessary, but the really strange thing is that whether it's our partners or partners of the CC working on the same a/c as us - one would think there'd be a bit of common unity.
It is, indeed after all a last resort option - I'd much prefer my wife to at least get the chance to watch the IFE breaking down!!
I'm well aware of the policy detail - I was simply using a tabloid analogy to illustrate a point and paint a picture.
If it helps, I'm happy to edit the post to assist comprehension for those who find it difficult to imagine what 'George from Catering's Aunty' probably looks like!
Irrespective of one's visualisation skills, putting someone behind me on the F/D jump seat and putting someone on a CC jump seat at a primary door are two very different things.
May well it be proclaimed on an FSO but an Operator dashing off an FSO before lunch does not negate the points listed in my post. The FSO has been hurrriedly issued without the necessary regulatory provisions being addressed - and that's something we all should be concerned about. It's also gone out (I'm reliably told) without consulting the CC world.
No I know the latter is certainly not necessary, but the really strange thing is that whether it's our partners or partners of the CC working on the same a/c as us - one would think there'd be a bit of common unity.
It is, indeed after all a last resort option - I'd much prefer my wife to at least get the chance to watch the IFE breaking down!!
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Airtags.... i couldnt agree more...
you have better illustrated my concerns than i was able to...
My other concern of course is the fact that we are now charging frequent flyers an extra $300 to sit at the exit row and that limited space will now be encroached by staff passengers permanently sitting there
At the doors 3 exits on the 747 this is also the space where passengers stand when waiting for the toilets... if the jumpeasts there are now where a couple of passengers may be seated then you will also have passenger crammed into the limited space between the passengers who have paid $300 extra for the space and the deployed jumpseat.
I for one this its a very poor marketing decision. I think it a far better idea that accompanying staff buy back up tickets or the F/A and Pilot Unions approach the company jointly to get a better priority or firm ticket when accompanying an operating crew member once a year perhaps
This is about the safety of the crew and the interests of our premium fare paying passengers. Quite frankly in these difficult times our priority has to be the passengers not the accompanying staff
you have better illustrated my concerns than i was able to...
My other concern of course is the fact that we are now charging frequent flyers an extra $300 to sit at the exit row and that limited space will now be encroached by staff passengers permanently sitting there
At the doors 3 exits on the 747 this is also the space where passengers stand when waiting for the toilets... if the jumpeasts there are now where a couple of passengers may be seated then you will also have passenger crammed into the limited space between the passengers who have paid $300 extra for the space and the deployed jumpseat.
I for one this its a very poor marketing decision. I think it a far better idea that accompanying staff buy back up tickets or the F/A and Pilot Unions approach the company jointly to get a better priority or firm ticket when accompanying an operating crew member once a year perhaps
This is about the safety of the crew and the interests of our premium fare paying passengers. Quite frankly in these difficult times our priority has to be the passengers not the accompanying staff
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This thread is a classic example of a almost uniquely QF phenomenon.
That is, relative to other airlines, and their own occupation within the airline, QF cabin crew have an over inflated view of their operational worth and importance.
Its a six week course to earn 50K per year. Money for jam when you consider the 'big stick' the cabin services dept weilds in QF and the reality that there is very little thinking or decision making on the job AND you can have no interest in efficient service delivery and you will never be held to account.
For years QF cabin crew have believed they are in charge of the aircraft. Guess what - the CAR's dont mention you at all. They only mention the Pilot in Command.
In my view QF CC have been allowed to get away with too much BS for far too long. They way they infest this forum - designed for professional pilots, is just one example.
Im glad this jump seat initiative has been taken, and I actually hope that a flight attendant takes me on over this so I can stand them down and f**** them off from the aircraft and hopefully the company.
That is, relative to other airlines, and their own occupation within the airline, QF cabin crew have an over inflated view of their operational worth and importance.
Its a six week course to earn 50K per year. Money for jam when you consider the 'big stick' the cabin services dept weilds in QF and the reality that there is very little thinking or decision making on the job AND you can have no interest in efficient service delivery and you will never be held to account.
For years QF cabin crew have believed they are in charge of the aircraft. Guess what - the CAR's dont mention you at all. They only mention the Pilot in Command.
In my view QF CC have been allowed to get away with too much BS for far too long. They way they infest this forum - designed for professional pilots, is just one example.
Im glad this jump seat initiative has been taken, and I actually hope that a flight attendant takes me on over this so I can stand them down and f**** them off from the aircraft and hopefully the company.
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Pontius funbags,why don't you post something on a pilot thread.
Is it because you're not a pilot?
What floor at QCC do you work in?
If you want to masquerade as a pilot then you should buy the book 'Flying as a Pilot for Dummies'.It's right next to 'How to develop a Personality'
airtags,
The reason why pontius funbags cannot lighten up is because he is only here to get cabin crew banned.
As you said this is an ill thought,short sighted idea generated by someone who has no idea of what happens in the cabin just like funbags.
As Pegasus said,you have put your points very succinctly and it's good to see a technical crew able to think about an issue without denigrating cabin crew as opposed to pontius funbags and mohican.
Mohican,Do you really think that you are the only people employed in the world of aviation because this is the description of the D&G section.
Is it because you're not a pilot?
What floor at QCC do you work in?
If you want to masquerade as a pilot then you should buy the book 'Flying as a Pilot for Dummies'.It's right next to 'How to develop a Personality'
please lighten up funbags
The reason why pontius funbags cannot lighten up is because he is only here to get cabin crew banned.
As you said this is an ill thought,short sighted idea generated by someone who has no idea of what happens in the cabin just like funbags.
As Pegasus said,you have put your points very succinctly and it's good to see a technical crew able to think about an issue without denigrating cabin crew as opposed to pontius funbags and mohican.
They way they infest this forum - designed for professional pilots
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to those that think that they can stand a flight attendant down without consequences are kidding themselves....
It will be the quickest loss of command ever...
you stand a flight attendant down because you disagree with their point of view and then the following thing will happen.
the rest of the cabin crew will be instructed to get off the aircraft by the FAAA.
Sure you will be in command but you will not have any flight attendants prepared to work with you.
Now of course you are right the CAR's dont mention the Cabin crew. This is despite a plane cannot leave unless there is one flight attendant per floor level exit and one per pair of over wing exits.
when you look back through the flight deck door and there are no cabin crew try taking off without them.
Even a freighter has a flight attendant so you can at least have a cup of tea.. Why dont you tell the company you no longer need the cabin crew member when you operate a freighter or positioning flight. It would save the company money and the flight attendants would hardly complain.
The only thing that is dangerous having the captains wife on the flight deck would be the danger to his super.
bring it on you brave captain (if you are one) and start standing crew down who disagree with you. You will find flight attendants a little different to deal with than a second officer who actually has to listen to the crap you talk.
how do you ever have sex with your wives without a second officer sitting at the end of the bed reading the checklist??
1. Pants down.
2. flaps at correct setting
3. viagra inserted......
rofl and you think flight attendants have egos lol
It will be the quickest loss of command ever...
you stand a flight attendant down because you disagree with their point of view and then the following thing will happen.
the rest of the cabin crew will be instructed to get off the aircraft by the FAAA.
Sure you will be in command but you will not have any flight attendants prepared to work with you.
Now of course you are right the CAR's dont mention the Cabin crew. This is despite a plane cannot leave unless there is one flight attendant per floor level exit and one per pair of over wing exits.
when you look back through the flight deck door and there are no cabin crew try taking off without them.
Even a freighter has a flight attendant so you can at least have a cup of tea.. Why dont you tell the company you no longer need the cabin crew member when you operate a freighter or positioning flight. It would save the company money and the flight attendants would hardly complain.
The only thing that is dangerous having the captains wife on the flight deck would be the danger to his super.
bring it on you brave captain (if you are one) and start standing crew down who disagree with you. You will find flight attendants a little different to deal with than a second officer who actually has to listen to the crap you talk.
how do you ever have sex with your wives without a second officer sitting at the end of the bed reading the checklist??
1. Pants down.
2. flaps at correct setting
3. viagra inserted......
rofl and you think flight attendants have egos lol
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looks like another punch on coming in some far away bar between the sky gods and platechuckers,If were talking about inflated egos,Even the zepplin didnt have the amount of helium most tech crew have of themselves.
Cant wait for the captain to refuse to depart because wifey hasnt got her seat, guess she will expect a glass of kruk whilst sitting in the cc seat as well.
skygods my frekkle, overated playstation players on the A380
Cant wait for the captain to refuse to depart because wifey hasnt got her seat, guess she will expect a glass of kruk whilst sitting in the cc seat as well.
skygods my frekkle, overated playstation players on the A380
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It will be the quickest loss of command ever...
you stand a flight attendant down because you disagree with their point of view and then the following thing will happen.
you stand a flight attendant down because you disagree with their point of view and then the following thing will happen.
I can guarantee that if required it will be put in CASAs hands and taken out of the companies. And I know of 1 Captain who has bypassed the company and gone straight to CASA. The Capt is still well and truely employed as a Captain.
The equivalent of mutany under the CASA regs is not taken well by the regulator.
Whether the company or your union can help you against prosecution from the regulator is a different matter. Good luck finding out.
Oh and this ones a beauty:
Even a freighter has a flight attendant so you can at least have a cup of tea.. Why dont you tell the company you no longer need the cabin crew member when you operate a freighter or positioning flight. It would save the company money and the flight attendants would hardly complain.
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In amongst all the squabbling and name calling there are some really valid points.
It's a shame you lot don't show your true colours at our annual CRM sessions together. It would certainly be alot more entertaining and honest.
It's a shame you lot don't show your true colours at our annual CRM sessions together. It would certainly be alot more entertaining and honest.
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I have found the same Back Seat Driver.
I have not met a tech crew that was not a top driver or drivette.
I too suspect that the usual suspects are not real drivers either
I have not met a tech crew that was not a top driver or drivette.
I doubt these 'usual suspects' spewing their self righteous indignation are even real QF CC
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It will be the quickest loss of command ever........hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 
Best laugh I have had in a while. Keep them coming peg!
You guys really have a superiority complex! Stick to the chicken or beef, let us make the adult calls!
Best laugh I have had in a while. Keep them coming peg!
You guys really have a superiority complex! Stick to the chicken or beef, let us make the adult calls!