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It's simple realy. CASA should mandate that all RPT flights at night have the runway lights turned on manually. Could be done by safety officer, firey's or airline agent, depending on the location.
Problems at Maroochydore as well!
No runway lights at Coast airport | General | Coast news | thedaily.com.au
No runway lights at Coast airport
11:54a.m. 29th June 2009
A plane on the runway at Sunshine Coast Airport. Photo:Cade Mooney/165770
Sunshine Coast Airport staff are trying to fix broken runway lights in a bid to avoid diverting night time flights to Brisbane this evening.
The broken lights were discovered by a JetStar pilot as he approached the runway on a flight from Melbourne last night.
When the pilot tried to activate the runway lights via remote control from the cockpit, he found they were not working and the flight was diverted to Brisbane.
Sunshine Coast Airport general manager Peter Pallot said staff were working on fixing the problem.
While Mr Pallot was hopeful the lights would be repaired in time, the cause of the problem was not known.
Mr Pallot said flights landing at night time would need to be diverted if the lights could not be fixed.
Two flights, both JetStar, are scheduled to land at the airport tonight.
No runway lights at Coast airport | General | Coast news | thedaily.com.au
No runway lights at Coast airport
11:54a.m. 29th June 2009
A plane on the runway at Sunshine Coast Airport. Photo:Cade Mooney/165770Sunshine Coast Airport staff are trying to fix broken runway lights in a bid to avoid diverting night time flights to Brisbane this evening.
The broken lights were discovered by a JetStar pilot as he approached the runway on a flight from Melbourne last night.
When the pilot tried to activate the runway lights via remote control from the cockpit, he found they were not working and the flight was diverted to Brisbane.
Sunshine Coast Airport general manager Peter Pallot said staff were working on fixing the problem.
While Mr Pallot was hopeful the lights would be repaired in time, the cause of the problem was not known.
Mr Pallot said flights landing at night time would need to be diverted if the lights could not be fixed.
Two flights, both JetStar, are scheduled to land at the airport tonight.
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Captain Tune Dog, bit insecure are we MATEY. For anyone to call themselves that speaks volumes about you ,clown.
I am well aware that airlines pay for the service. Its also incorporated in ticket costs d1ckhead. Although you probably work for one of these new age co's that have $29 fares where everybody goes broke.
If an airline can afford Reserve Crew then surely ASA can also have staffing levels that can afford Rostered reserve coverage. All part of the game. After all it is a Government entity
How would you know what I do? Oh and BTW don't worry about my experience levels sunshine. Been round the block a few times, probably alot more times than you SON.
Stick to your flight sim 2009.
I am well aware that airlines pay for the service. Its also incorporated in ticket costs d1ckhead. Although you probably work for one of these new age co's that have $29 fares where everybody goes broke.
If an airline can afford Reserve Crew then surely ASA can also have staffing levels that can afford Rostered reserve coverage. All part of the game. After all it is a Government entity
How would you know what I do? Oh and BTW don't worry about my experience levels sunshine. Been round the block a few times, probably alot more times than you SON.
Stick to your flight sim 2009.
RTFM
ed1016nw,
It doesn't always work. See this quote from the post above yours:
AIRHEAD,
I Agree!
Whats wrong with pilot controlled airport lighting?
When the pilot tried to activate the runway lights via remote control from the cockpit, he found they were not working and the flight was diverted to Brisbane.
CASA should mandate that all RPT flights at night have the runway lights turned on manually.
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Sorry for posting in this thread, but couldn't find the QF one. The QF runway light saga is back in court next week. With airport staff being required to give evidence.
CASA should mandate that all RPT flights at night have the runway lights turned on manually
Name me an airport where this doesn't occur in the event of PAALC failure?
Most RPT pilots going into regional airports seem to be happy enough with it.
or have them go off on them at a critical time.
I'm not.
There's one single reason as to why we see such events as the titled subject read here........USER PAYS!.............right or wrong it simply costs money to have a certain level of safety (by way of staff to turn on rwy lts for Eg.) & there in lies the real issue.
Doesn't matter how much staff is available, doesn't matter how much techno stuff is available, doesn't matter how much training is thrown at operators 'cause whilst humans are at the wheel we shall be entertained here for many years to come by way of mistakes:-)
"Normasars" I happen to agree with yr post:-)
Wmk2
Doesn't matter how much staff is available, doesn't matter how much techno stuff is available, doesn't matter how much training is thrown at operators 'cause whilst humans are at the wheel we shall be entertained here for many years to come by way of mistakes:-)
"Normasars" I happen to agree with yr post:-)
Wmk2
Oh Dear.....
And I wonder what could possibly be 'wrong' for the 'bagsnatchers' / ground staff to have a key or whatever for the appropriate light switch box?
Wouldn't cost any more as they are 'there' anyway.....
Manually ON / manually OFF......??
Hey "Ducky".....Yep! I thought we did it rather well too.............
Cheers
Wouldn't cost any more as they are 'there' anyway.....
Manually ON / manually OFF......??
Hey "Ducky".....Yep! I thought we did it rather well too.............
Cheers
Last edited by Ex FSO GRIFFO; 27th Jul 2009 at 04:30.
And...Thread drift.....
Tossas,
RE: "Yeah but,many of us loathed Flight Service when they would refuse to accept a flight plan"
I seem to recall you have 'stated' this somewhere before........
and my response is the same as then......
FSO's did not have the 'Authority' to REFUSE to accept a Flight Plan -
UNLESS it was obviously / grossly incorrect in procedures, or some other deficiency -
e.g. inadequate fuel, reserves, holding due weather, etc etc
In which case, the 'problem' would have been brought to your immediate attention as an 'oversight' perhaps (?)...
And if you still 'differed' from the procedures/requirements of the time, and YOU refused to rectify the said Plan, I would then hand you the phone and let YOU discuss it with the Senior Ops CONTROLLER (SOC), who most certainly DID have the authority to take whatever action he saw fit.
.....and if you had then 'walked out' leaving said Plan, it would be discussed with the SOC, and submitted - copy to the SOC - with 'appropriate' remarks so as 'ongoing units' would be aware....
And, no doubt, you would have received a message via the radio prefixed by 'From the SOC'....
Cheers......
p.s. Sorry about the 'drift' folks, but really......
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RE: "Yeah but,many of us loathed Flight Service when they would refuse to accept a flight plan"
I seem to recall you have 'stated' this somewhere before........
and my response is the same as then......
FSO's did not have the 'Authority' to REFUSE to accept a Flight Plan -
UNLESS it was obviously / grossly incorrect in procedures, or some other deficiency -
e.g. inadequate fuel, reserves, holding due weather, etc etc
In which case, the 'problem' would have been brought to your immediate attention as an 'oversight' perhaps (?)...
And if you still 'differed' from the procedures/requirements of the time, and YOU refused to rectify the said Plan, I would then hand you the phone and let YOU discuss it with the Senior Ops CONTROLLER (SOC), who most certainly DID have the authority to take whatever action he saw fit.
.....and if you had then 'walked out' leaving said Plan, it would be discussed with the SOC, and submitted - copy to the SOC - with 'appropriate' remarks so as 'ongoing units' would be aware....
And, no doubt, you would have received a message via the radio prefixed by 'From the SOC'....
Cheers......
p.s. Sorry about the 'drift' folks, but really......
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Ex FSO.
You FSO guys did a great job mate, and I missed you all when cost cutting phased you out. But things changed a bit after that.
In Australia we had that unique system where ATC had to approve flight plans pre flight for ops in controlled airspace, RPT and IFR. Some leftover from the Jurassic Age when a knee jerk re action to a fuel related crash was brought in.
Nowdays airlines/pilots file their plans electronically. There no approval from some bloke behind a counter. No brownie points. No critique. No, 9/10 for neatness, try harder next time. i,e. airlines/pilots take responsibilty for having enough fuel.
You FSO guys did a great job mate, and I missed you all when cost cutting phased you out. But things changed a bit after that.
In Australia we had that unique system where ATC had to approve flight plans pre flight for ops in controlled airspace, RPT and IFR. Some leftover from the Jurassic Age when a knee jerk re action to a fuel related crash was brought in.
Nowdays airlines/pilots file their plans electronically. There no approval from some bloke behind a counter. No brownie points. No critique. No, 9/10 for neatness, try harder next time. i,e. airlines/pilots take responsibilty for having enough fuel.
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Can someone explain to me how a couple of experienced pilots could taxi out to the runway and not notice that the taxiway lights were not on?
And then turn onto the runway and not notice that the runway lights were not on?...at 2150 local time?
And then turn onto the runway and not notice that the runway lights were not on?...at 2150 local time?
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Yeah.
Asked ATC for a CBR w/x as well as SYD one morning on our way down from SIN. We got it, albeit in a slightly nonplussed tone.
Shortly afterwards, got a message from the SOC querying why we wanted the CBR w/x. My answer was "because the Captain asked me to get it for him." Nothing more was said.
Just don't get a massive thread drift on the failure of Operational Control; it's time for bed!
G'day
Asked ATC for a CBR w/x as well as SYD one morning on our way down from SIN. We got it, albeit in a slightly nonplussed tone.
Shortly afterwards, got a message from the SOC querying why we wanted the CBR w/x. My answer was "because the Captain asked me to get it for him." Nothing more was said.
Just don't get a massive thread drift on the failure of Operational Control; it's time for bed!
G'day
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If there is a known problem with the PAL, then the answer is easy... get the lights on and leave them on till the problem is fixed.
Obie:
As has been said in the thread on the QF LST occurrence, this type of incident is most likely more common than many of us believe. It may only get reported when someone on the ground see's it... as the pilots during t/o will most likely not see either the lights not on or fail during the run. (it is after all, almost daylight in front of most jets with the lights on) I have seen it happen and in all cases the crew had no knowledge that the lights were off.
Yes... good old Flight Service...
As for some SOCs, the power went to their head at times... hated it when you said "No" to them!!!
Obie:
Can someone explain to me how a couple of experienced pilots could taxi out to the runway and not notice that the taxiway lights were not on?
Yes... good old Flight Service...
As for some SOCs, the power went to their head at times... hated it when you said "No" to them!!!
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Agree with Norma.
I'm even willing to go one further and say that ref. the "RPT is RPT" remark.... I'd say a "flight is a flight" regardless of category. RPT, CHTR, PVT etc.
In an age where you can buy six solar powered garden lights from Bunnings for 20 bucks and where every street corner is surveyed by CCTV and speed cameras. Surely someone, somewhere, cares enough to develop a system to leave our busier aerodromes lit!!!!!!!!
Might be time to get out the soldering iron and king browns Norma!
Zube is spot on. Get rid of this mike clicky bullsh%t.... Leave 'em on!
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I'm even willing to go one further and say that ref. the "RPT is RPT" remark.... I'd say a "flight is a flight" regardless of category. RPT, CHTR, PVT etc.
In an age where you can buy six solar powered garden lights from Bunnings for 20 bucks and where every street corner is surveyed by CCTV and speed cameras. Surely someone, somewhere, cares enough to develop a system to leave our busier aerodromes lit!!!!!!!!
Might be time to get out the soldering iron and king browns Norma!
Zube is spot on. Get rid of this mike clicky bullsh%t.... Leave 'em on!
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