ALAEA Leadership Change
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It seems to me that all the talk that AJ was doing when he first arrived about engaging the staff and cutting management levels was typical rhetoric.
Obviously he is finding it harder then he realised to change management thinking at QF.
Just look at LMO
- 5 years ogo it was 2 levels of management from the floor to Cox, now under a young Ha$$is we have 5.....
Question for FED SEC, Are we turning the screws on QF at the moment. I am enjoying the what you are doing and I personnally think what you guys have done is galvenise the union movement. ( which was almost dead 2 years ago )
I am sick of being told that due to our PIA last year we cost contracts with other airlines. What a load of bull. All we did was a couple of $hr stop work meetings and the threat of work to rule.
They **** thenselves and mobilsed strike breakers and LAME's in management jobs. What a joke, they treated it like war and we were just having fun. Next time we might finally get serious and drive the train set they have built for us. They have no idea on how engage us and solve the problems we all face. We have to change but we will not be bullied by a bunch of hypocrites
Obviously he is finding it harder then he realised to change management thinking at QF.
Just look at LMO
- 5 years ogo it was 2 levels of management from the floor to Cox, now under a young Ha$$is we have 5.....
Question for FED SEC, Are we turning the screws on QF at the moment. I am enjoying the what you are doing and I personnally think what you guys have done is galvenise the union movement. ( which was almost dead 2 years ago )
I am sick of being told that due to our PIA last year we cost contracts with other airlines. What a load of bull. All we did was a couple of $hr stop work meetings and the threat of work to rule.
They **** thenselves and mobilsed strike breakers and LAME's in management jobs. What a joke, they treated it like war and we were just having fun. Next time we might finally get serious and drive the train set they have built for us. They have no idea on how engage us and solve the problems we all face. We have to change but we will not be bullied by a bunch of hypocrites
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Question for FED SEC, Are we turning the screws on QF at the moment. I am enjoying the what you are doing and I personnally think what you guys have done is galvenise the union movement. ( which was almost dead 2 years ago )
We are turning up the screws because the new management team have not backed up their words with actions and maintenance standards will continue to decline unless public pressure is applied to a benign regulator.
Contracts are not being cut due to our PIA. They are being cut across all service sections such as catering, check in, baggage handling and engineering.
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pia and redundancy
just a thought but maybe the fact that no one is getting redundancy and we have lost all but ..other operaters the company is staffing us up so in the next EBA we wont be able to use the o/t bans to much effect as this was the tool that made them talk to the alaea.....and get the result
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The reason they are outsourcing the engineering business is to grow the other companies so that if we go on pia they will have a number of companies to call on to do our work.
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To ALAEA Fed Sec
Seeing as you like to conduct business in such a public forum here’s some impartial feedback for those you represent, if not for you, from someone that gives a s#!t about all the good things done, and continue to be done, to raise the professional standing of the LAME in this industry of ours over the years.
Sadly, until there is a separation between the industrial muscle-up and the professional advocacy no one inside is going to take you seriously SP.
The two approaches are like oil and water. Until you understand the damage you continue to do long term to the overall industry and to the long term interests of those you represent, with blind destructive aggression and erroneous propaganda, you will continue to tear down the house.
Some of your rants to the media are indicative of either a poor knowledge of the actual subject matter or a wilful disregard for some of the basic tenets we all live by, and the association stands for, i.e. wait for the facts before shooting your mouth off.
Hope PS can rein you in a bit and bring some sanity (and respect) back to the association.
You are, rather sadly, seen by many of your 'peers' as the Norm Gallagher of the aviation industry.
A bit like a train crash about to happen really in that everyone knows what is coming but no one can look away.
P2G
Seeing as you like to conduct business in such a public forum here’s some impartial feedback for those you represent, if not for you, from someone that gives a s#!t about all the good things done, and continue to be done, to raise the professional standing of the LAME in this industry of ours over the years.
Sadly, until there is a separation between the industrial muscle-up and the professional advocacy no one inside is going to take you seriously SP.
The two approaches are like oil and water. Until you understand the damage you continue to do long term to the overall industry and to the long term interests of those you represent, with blind destructive aggression and erroneous propaganda, you will continue to tear down the house.
Some of your rants to the media are indicative of either a poor knowledge of the actual subject matter or a wilful disregard for some of the basic tenets we all live by, and the association stands for, i.e. wait for the facts before shooting your mouth off.
Hope PS can rein you in a bit and bring some sanity (and respect) back to the association.
You are, rather sadly, seen by many of your 'peers' as the Norm Gallagher of the aviation industry.
A bit like a train crash about to happen really in that everyone knows what is coming but no one can look away.
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Surely you cant expect to be taken seriously posting something like that anonymously. The last post is the sort of things the Oldmeadow brigade would say to cause dissention.
I would suggest that if you are indeed a LAME that you should have the courage to call Steve and have a chat personally and air your views and have a proper dialogue.. but then like a small number of so called union members you would rather carp from the sideline anonymously
I would suggest that if you are indeed a LAME that you should have the courage to call Steve and have a chat personally and air your views and have a proper dialogue.. but then like a small number of so called union members you would rather carp from the sideline anonymously
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ALAEA Leadership Change.......... oh I have so much to say
Get rid of them.
There that about does it SP, PC, MW,WB,WV all snake oil salesman lulling you twits into a false sense of security, three years of leadership !!!!! what have it gained you ??? broken promises, limited payrises and lost respect Alan has stated he would rather deal with death than deal with the ALAEA TIME TO REALISE WHICH SIDE YOUR BREAD IS BUTTERED ON
Give this present exec the boot, all hail the new king
Get rid of them.
There that about does it SP, PC, MW,WB,WV all snake oil salesman lulling you twits into a false sense of security, three years of leadership !!!!! what have it gained you ??? broken promises, limited payrises and lost respect Alan has stated he would rather deal with death than deal with the ALAEA TIME TO REALISE WHICH SIDE YOUR BREAD IS BUTTERED ON
Give this present exec the boot, all hail the new king
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I am extremely saddened by the vitriolic, malicious, anonymous attacks on ALAEA’s leadership. As was said on another Pprune thread on 14 June 09:
Notwithstanding, not many of Prune’s authors have actually been in the room with Paul/Steve when they were representing ALAEA to Government Ministers, Institutional Qantas Shareholders, Senior Management, Etc, but I have and I can only reiterate what I have already said:
Rgds
WoodenEye
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...the tactic is all too familiar. The innocent and disinterested will be lead to believe that Qantas and ALAEA could be friends, if only it wasn’t for Purvinas and Mates.
ALAEA's current Leadership has the Insight, Courage and Determination to drive sustainable, pragmatic outcomes and sincerely hope that the Lame Membership has the collective wisdom to understand and endorse what strong leadership has and will continue to achieve.
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I'm not a LAME but have been around for a while. Under the previous leadership SYD HM got closed with barely a whimper from the comittee and memebers.
This time they decided that they were worth more than a 3% payrise and that they were prepared to fight for it. They fought for it and from what I know they got pretty close to 5% if not 5%. What would the previous leadership done?
It didn't take much to highlight how badly run down QF has become as a company, all they did was ban o.t. The company still seems like it hasn't realised this and the same will most likely happen the next time round.
I wish that we had a bit more power that we could wield in the role I'm in, but that's not the case. A lot of jobs they could get rid of people and retrain others and after 3 months or so you wouldn't know the difference. Not so with LAME's and AME, the pesky 4 year apprenticeship and other training gets in the way of that.
If I was a LAME I would be quite satisfied how they are going at the moment. They are not puppets to the company, isn't that what you want in your union leaders.
This time they decided that they were worth more than a 3% payrise and that they were prepared to fight for it. They fought for it and from what I know they got pretty close to 5% if not 5%. What would the previous leadership done?
It didn't take much to highlight how badly run down QF has become as a company, all they did was ban o.t. The company still seems like it hasn't realised this and the same will most likely happen the next time round.
I wish that we had a bit more power that we could wield in the role I'm in, but that's not the case. A lot of jobs they could get rid of people and retrain others and after 3 months or so you wouldn't know the difference. Not so with LAME's and AME, the pesky 4 year apprenticeship and other training gets in the way of that.
If I was a LAME I would be quite satisfied how they are going at the moment. They are not puppets to the company, isn't that what you want in your union leaders.
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rammel and fed sec.
nicely balanced post rammel.
it aint perfect in lame land but its better than it was.
having leadership that is at arms length from the qantas IR mob is essential to getting things done.
the previous EBA was an embarrassing disaster.Here's 3 goodies, said not enough, here's 2 goodies or we'll be nasty.OK 2 goodies is fine thanks.
Tails between legs.Absolute poo with a capital S.
The last was brilliant.
Mainly because the time was right (just), we were determined, we were not being greedy and we largely trusted each other to do the right thing.
The oft mentioned 130 million could have paid more than 50 LAMEs for well over 20 years or trained many hundreds of apprentices or bought lots of new kit, paid a good divvie to holders etc....
The clever well paid people running the show thought it would be a better idea to waste the lot, pay up what we wanted from day one and try to sell us to company that no longer is solvent.
Marvellous thinking that.To think that anyone involved with that strategy or endorsing it is still employable is beyond me.The excuse of causing a wages breakout was in the end a complete fallacy.
AJ has a different way of thinking but its work in progress.Plenty of middle and upper middle toes to be walked on yet.
Word is the syd domestic lads and lasses had a visit from a number of HR people recently and had a frank and open discussion on the issues at hand.That had to come from higher places and congrats for getting down on floor to have a chat.
it aint perfect in lame land but its better than it was.
having leadership that is at arms length from the qantas IR mob is essential to getting things done.
the previous EBA was an embarrassing disaster.Here's 3 goodies, said not enough, here's 2 goodies or we'll be nasty.OK 2 goodies is fine thanks.
Tails between legs.Absolute poo with a capital S.The last was brilliant.
Mainly because the time was right (just), we were determined, we were not being greedy and we largely trusted each other to do the right thing.
The oft mentioned 130 million could have paid more than 50 LAMEs for well over 20 years or trained many hundreds of apprentices or bought lots of new kit, paid a good divvie to holders etc....
The clever well paid people running the show thought it would be a better idea to waste the lot, pay up what we wanted from day one and try to sell us to company that no longer is solvent.
Marvellous thinking that.To think that anyone involved with that strategy or endorsing it is still employable is beyond me.The excuse of causing a wages breakout was in the end a complete fallacy.
AJ has a different way of thinking but its work in progress.Plenty of middle and upper middle toes to be walked on yet.
Word is the syd domestic lads and lasses had a visit from a number of HR people recently and had a frank and open discussion on the issues at hand.That had to come from higher places and congrats for getting down on floor to have a chat.
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Nicely said. Is it part of your (QF Management) job description to sift through Pprune and defend so pathetically the actions of our rudderless leaders? I hope you are doing this in your own time.
QE Management and Integrity are an oxymoron.
On the numerous occasions that they have had to demonstate fairness they instead have stooped to appalling lows clearly demonstrating they and yourself have no intention of bridging the divide.
So you're not getting things your way ... so stoop lower. Nothing new here. We've all watched managers come and go ... you're no different. Your time will come too.
We're all tired of it. You've alienated a whole workforce. Why else do you think LAMEs stuck together, in fact, I've never seen such a uniform feeling across the whole of the Qantas workforce. Congratulations to Qantas Management on their business acumen. You're truly ingenious.
You reap what you sow.
To the ALAEA - a big thank you to you guys. Keep up the good work.
Nicely said. Is it part of your (QF Management) job description to sift through Pprune and defend so pathetically the actions of our rudderless leaders? I hope you are doing this in your own time.
QE Management and Integrity are an oxymoron.
On the numerous occasions that they have had to demonstate fairness they instead have stooped to appalling lows clearly demonstrating they and yourself have no intention of bridging the divide.
So you're not getting things your way ... so stoop lower. Nothing new here. We've all watched managers come and go ... you're no different. Your time will come too.
We're all tired of it. You've alienated a whole workforce. Why else do you think LAMEs stuck together, in fact, I've never seen such a uniform feeling across the whole of the Qantas workforce. Congratulations to Qantas Management on their business acumen. You're truly ingenious.
You reap what you sow.
To the ALAEA - a big thank you to you guys. Keep up the good work.
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ALAEA FED SEC. is the best thing that has happened to our industry. They have gained more members outside QF in the last 12 months than the previous admin. did in 3 years.
To believe otherwise is to think you are casting bait. Go home troll, free speech is good but drivel like that is not welcomed.
I am proud to stand by SP and PC anyday, anywhere for our right to be taken seriously as a profession. WE have never tried to overburden QF with ridiculous and ambit claims, just a fair and just reward for the work we do. SP and PC showed that just by electing not to do OT how much it affetcs QF, that tells me there are not enough of us, but to spend 130 mil. to save 3 mil a year............. i need to get a degree cos i would kill it as an IR manager
Hannibal
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To believe otherwise is to think you are casting bait. Go home troll, free speech is good but drivel like that is not welcomed.
I am proud to stand by SP and PC anyday, anywhere for our right to be taken seriously as a profession. WE have never tried to overburden QF with ridiculous and ambit claims, just a fair and just reward for the work we do. SP and PC showed that just by electing not to do OT how much it affetcs QF, that tells me there are not enough of us, but to spend 130 mil. to save 3 mil a year............. i need to get a degree cos i would kill it as an IR manager
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ndustrial action by the Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association, with a resulting maintenance backlog, which cost an estimated $130 million in additional expenses and lost revenue;
a loss of $107 million in the second half.
ALAEA FED SEC. is the best thing that has happened to our industry
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I guess since you guys agree in pay rises in line with profits you'll be lodging a pay claim for -4% next year. You know.. share those profits and all..
You know the ones.
The ones who came within a bees dick of destroying the company, all in an effort to line their pockets.
Hey Ditch you seemed to overlook the little issue of price fixing! What is it $60mil to date?
All the bludgers should be in the slammer!
El Perro there is no doubt recent QF management really shine and are exemplary examples of corporate competence!
Their idea of engagement was engagement in industrial thuggery!
How much was your bonus EP??
All the bludgers should be in the slammer!
El Perro there is no doubt recent QF management really shine and are exemplary examples of corporate competence!
Their idea of engagement was engagement in industrial thuggery!
How much was your bonus EP??