PacBlue NZHN Ops
Thread Starter
PacBlue NZHN Ops
Thought someone might have already started a thread on this.
Why do they think they will get enough Pax to make it work especially in these times of recession?
I think part of the problem that Air NZ couldn't get the Pax wasn't price but the close proximity to Auckland and the wide choice of travel times to the various destinations available from Auckland. Only being able to travel on certain days certainly restricts the number of Pax who will travel.
What type of aircraft are they planning to use?
Why do they think they will get enough Pax to make it work especially in these times of recession?
I think part of the problem that Air NZ couldn't get the Pax wasn't price but the close proximity to Auckland and the wide choice of travel times to the various destinations available from Auckland. Only being able to travel on certain days certainly restricts the number of Pax who will travel.
What type of aircraft are they planning to use?
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Aussie
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The prices that PB are wanting is not going to change anything to what happened with NZ...
Its still cheaper to go via Auckland, or even just drive to Auckland now that they have sorted out the motorway there..I could mabye see it working with JQ, they proved it make CHC work, pkus have an everyday low price if $169 from most NZ bases etc...
738 service
What about PB use their E190 on NZ Domestic serving Rotorua, Queenstown, Hamilton...would break down the monopoly thats for sure
Its still cheaper to go via Auckland, or even just drive to Auckland now that they have sorted out the motorway there..I could mabye see it working with JQ, they proved it make CHC work, pkus have an everyday low price if $169 from most NZ bases etc...
What type of aircraft are they planning to use?
What about PB use their E190 on NZ Domestic serving Rotorua, Queenstown, Hamilton...would break down the monopoly thats for sure
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: allover
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Good luck to them. They might need it.
Problem is, there are only 4 million people in NZ. Hamilton is not a tourist destination for the traffic Aust to NZ and back. Is it marketed as the gateway to the BOP and Rotovegas well enough to bring that tourist traveler in?
And as you both pointed out, there is a LOT of option to go in and out of Auckland.
If it does not work out its not a huge loss of face really.
In the mean time, enjoy overnights in the Tron!!
Problem is, there are only 4 million people in NZ. Hamilton is not a tourist destination for the traffic Aust to NZ and back. Is it marketed as the gateway to the BOP and Rotovegas well enough to bring that tourist traveler in?
And as you both pointed out, there is a LOT of option to go in and out of Auckland.
If it does not work out its not a huge loss of face really.
In the mean time, enjoy overnights in the Tron!!
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Godzone
Posts: 391
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Until NZHN sorts out its
1 - Parking @ $20/day with max of $95/month and zero security,
2 - Duty Free browsing. Oh that's right there is none
3 - Cafe. It's rubbish,
international flights will always struggle.
1 - Parking @ $20/day with max of $95/month and zero security,
2 - Duty Free browsing. Oh that's right there is none
3 - Cafe. It's rubbish,
international flights will always struggle.
Join Date: May 2009
Location: up and down
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
They must have something up their sleeve. They know the history of the former companies operating out of there... So watch this space I reckon, I'm not necessarily saying they'll come out on top, but I'm curious as to their approach to cracking this 'tough nut' 
Thread Starter
toolowtoofast
Yep, I agree with your points 1,2 & 3.
Since my first post another consideration came to mind. There has always been a bit of anti Air New Zealand bias from some of the local councillors and the local Waikato daily paper. This was really evident when Air New Zealand flagged that services out of Hamilton were under threat due to poor patronage. The fact that the local councils had abandoned the regional tourism promotion organisation was never mentioned as a possible reason people weren't flying into Hamilton.
I wonder what sort of deal PacBlue got from the airport company re landing and terminal fees etc. I'd be willing to bet it was a much sweeter deal than Air NZ was getting.
It will be intertesting to see what happens.
I wouldn't count Air NZ out of operating out of NZHN or anywhere else on a seasonal basis.
Yep, I agree with your points 1,2 & 3.
Since my first post another consideration came to mind. There has always been a bit of anti Air New Zealand bias from some of the local councillors and the local Waikato daily paper. This was really evident when Air New Zealand flagged that services out of Hamilton were under threat due to poor patronage. The fact that the local councils had abandoned the regional tourism promotion organisation was never mentioned as a possible reason people weren't flying into Hamilton.
I wonder what sort of deal PacBlue got from the airport company re landing and terminal fees etc. I'd be willing to bet it was a much sweeter deal than Air NZ was getting.
It will be intertesting to see what happens.
I wouldn't count Air NZ out of operating out of NZHN or anywhere else on a seasonal basis.
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Auckland
Age: 52
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It is the 0600 departure time that doesn't do them any favours. It means they miss out on the Rotorua, Tauranga, Taupo traffic who won't get up at whatever time it is necessary to make that flight
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Aus
Age: 38
Posts: 37
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What are your opinions on PB working out of Palmerston North. Operating the E190 as obviously the a320 was to large of an aircraft on the freedom air route and the sporadic departure times were also another downfall, but surely Palmy services the Manawatu and East fo teh ranges so demand should be quite large for international flights
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Daghdaghistan
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Pacific Blue ups the anti as it adds Queenstown-Sydney service | BUSINESS News
Looks like Hamilton ain't the only one.
SYD-ZQN
SYD-WLG
BNE-DUD
Are the Bluey's RNP rated? Or will it be "Cleared VOR/DME A, cleared to visually maneourve as required?"
Looks like Hamilton ain't the only one.
SYD-ZQN
SYD-WLG
BNE-DUD
Are the Bluey's RNP rated? Or will it be "Cleared VOR/DME A, cleared to visually maneourve as required?"
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Daghdaghistan
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Porn* didn't have the easiest or smoothest start to the day.
3 hour delay out of WLG due to loading equipment failure. I they're going for containers... which would make them the only NZ domestic operator to do so apart from Air NZ's occasional A320. Does Invercargill have container equipment? (i.e for ZQN diverts)
3 hour delay out of WLG due to loading equipment failure. I they're going for containers... which would make them the only NZ domestic operator to do so apart from Air NZ's occasional A320. Does Invercargill have container equipment? (i.e for ZQN diverts)
On Guard
You are correct that it may not be ready for Sept.
More specificallly it is RNP AR for ZQN which is a very different animal from normal RNP approaches.
The will have to meet the requirements of FAA AC 90-101 (The ICAO PBN manual, training and validation is almost a direct copy of the FAA document) just as everyone else has, so it will take some time just to complete the 100 approaches and departures (the first 30 in VMC from 10,000 feet to touchdown)
They will need to have the procedure designed for them to start with, as the current RNP AR is not public use. (Air NZ and QF paid for and own the current procedure)
I hear RNP is coming but may not be ready for Sep.
More specificallly it is RNP AR for ZQN which is a very different animal from normal RNP approaches.
The will have to meet the requirements of FAA AC 90-101 (The ICAO PBN manual, training and validation is almost a direct copy of the FAA document) just as everyone else has, so it will take some time just to complete the 100 approaches and departures (the first 30 in VMC from 10,000 feet to touchdown)
They will need to have the procedure designed for them to start with, as the current RNP AR is not public use. (Air NZ and QF paid for and own the current procedure)