QANTAS crews operating through Hong Kong

[Offchocks]

Jackneville

Have a look at Bedder believeit's post #15, the 5min requirement has changed and someone forgot to inform some sections of ATC.
In this case the FAM is out of date.

[Offchocks]

Jetsbest

I believe Jackneville may be referring to FAM 6.9.5. towards the rear of the communications section.

[SMOC]

I don't know if PDCs differ slightly from company to company but CXs PDCs in HKG say contact 129.9 at the end. If the PDC has been acknowledged through the ACARS, all we say is "CX xxx ready" and wait for the transfer to ground.

I don't think BB is actually worried about the 5min call, just a call, I've had a visit to the tower and asked a few questions, the call to clearance allows him/her to check that your details (strip of paper on a plastic holder) have been passed to either ground South or North and they are ready for you.

[Jackneville]

D'Oh !

Mmmm, quite the fool be I.

You can take a horse to the water but you can't make some Company Pilots
amend their manuals. Was looking at Rev.17, Dec. 08. Sorry guys.

[Jetsbest]

Chocks,

I'm still confused. FAM Ch6 is about Flight and Duty limits, Ch16 is about Fuel policy. FAM 21.7 discussed PDCs etc. Could you elaborate further too please?

er... disregard... I believe your'e referring to RMS Ch6.9.5. Got it!

[Offchocks]

Jetsbest

Sorry for the typo.............. yes I should have said RMS.
Anyway if you follow what it says on Jepp Hong Kong 10-1P8 I doubt you can go too far wrong.

[Nunc]

I have not been through Honkers since Feb but in the past you call for clearance, when it was issued they told you to report ready for push, you report ready to push and you are told to call ground on frequency xxxx. Cannot see how this issue arose but like I say it has been a while since had to worry about HKG ops.

[hongkongfooey]

1) People don't always operate regularly into HKG to know local procedures.

Sorry Blueloo, I did'nt realise that not operating regularly through a busy international airport was an excuse to not know that airports procedures, my bad.

2) Not everyone reads Pprune to get their local procedures

Seems that not everyone reads their port pages/route manual/whatever you call them, either.

Most rely on the advice in the Jepps for their procedures - they are in this case - either hard to understand, different to what is preferred, or just not being followed.

Jeppesen 10-1-P8, Hong Kong, PRC : Pilots shall comply with instructions from HK delivery regarding when to contact the relevant ground frequency...........

Yep, pretty bloody confusing that, as well as every other operator on the field calling " Ready " on 129.9

Cheers

[framer]

Can someone who understands the system explain to me why every airport that is big enough to have dedicated clearance, ground and tower frequencies can't have the same proceedures for;
a) getting an airways clearance
b) start and push
c) taxi

I'm sure there must be a reason or ten but I don't know why.

There seems to be so many different ways of skinning the same cat, some want to know your alternate, others Pob, others the Atis designator, some want both, others don't want either, some places need clearance to push but not start, others start but not push, WTF? I make an effort and generally get it right for the locals but really, we're in the business of changing locations quickly, why can't we standardise it?

I look forward to the real reasons why. Cheers, Framer.

[hongkongfooey]

I'm hearin' ya Framer, you should try operating out of China One place we go to has ATC clearance on Tower, pushback clearance on tower, start clearance on ground, initial taxi clearance on ground, rest of taxi clearance on tower, I am serious.
Why ? ......................................because they can

TIA Bro ( This Is Asia )

[blueloo]

Hongkongfooey:

Sorry Blueloo, I did'nt realise that not operating regularly through a busy international airport was an excuse to not know that airports procedures, my bad.

Neither did I - must be "my bad" aswell (love the American slang - mate) However if you wish to do so thats your business.

Seems that not everyone reads their port pages/route manual/whatever you call them, either

Apparently not - but thanks for highlighting it for the rest of us.

Yep, pretty bloody confusing that, as well as every other operator on the field calling

Suppose you should take this up with the person who started the topic - as he seems to be the most aware of it - and appears to be trying to do the right thing and inform other people.


Cheers. Mate.