QF SH/LH Temp Transfers
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I also know of an ex ao crew member from Sydney that got it. Im really happy with the people that got it, all really derseving and great flight attendants. Especially the ex regional guys!!
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Yes, Just got latest news
2 of my friends -ex ao crews based in mel got it
2 of non-my friends based in SYD ex ao crews got it
1 of ex ao crew based in PER got it
30 something above CNS based crews got it
Maybe there are more ex ao crews from other bases got it.
Congratulations to all crews who got transfer !
All the best in your new LH flying
Best Wishes for all QF crews, hope we all have the job we love and enjoy flying
2 of my friends -ex ao crews based in mel got it
2 of non-my friends based in SYD ex ao crews got it
1 of ex ao crew based in PER got it
30 something above CNS based crews got it
Maybe there are more ex ao crews from other bases got it.
Congratulations to all crews who got transfer !
All the best in your new LH flying
Best Wishes for all QF crews, hope we all have the job we love and enjoy flying
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it annoys me that everyone has to label and pick apart the poor cairns crew, ex ao. How about the ex impulse people? I mean thier company was not even owned by qantas and they kept all the little entitlements and got a nice job with qf. Jetstar staff get to keep their long service and some perks from their job. But the guys that came over from australian airlines got nothing. You all say its not fair they get the choice of base first or 380 slots, but what else have they got going for them. I was advised of a woman who worked for qantas for 15 years. She then applied for australian, and got it, and lost everything, even had to wait 6 months to get her staff travel back. Then when coming back to qantas now, what has she got? Nothing! Please cut these people some slack. It makes me sick to the thought that they are on the bottom of seniority, and people still want to kick them in the guts.Welcome to long haul cairns crew, leave the bitter domestic behind, im warming up the cabin as we speak.
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there should be heaps of positions on the 380 as no one wants it in LH.
the take up rate was very low! and management wonders why!
Anyway the guys from domestics will enjoy it!
To those that got main line, you will definitely love it!
Spoke to some quokkas and they ex tactic that they may now have a chance to stay on mainline rather than be forced on to the 380.
looks like a good result for everyone,
Hey Domestos did you get the transfer to LH
the take up rate was very low! and management wonders why!
Anyway the guys from domestics will enjoy it!
To those that got main line, you will definitely love it!
Spoke to some quokkas and they ex tactic that they may now have a chance to stay on mainline rather than be forced on to the 380.
looks like a good result for everyone,
Hey Domestos did you get the transfer to LH
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Flying Solo -
You are off the mark re. ex-Impulse crew and all their little entitlements. So, just as you are upset at people picking apart 'poor' Cairns crew (your words), you are doing the same re. ex-Impulse crew.
For the record 29 ex-Impulse crew have been offered jobs at SH. That's around 15% of the cabin crew workforce prior to the commencement of Jetstar. They served between three months and 3.5 years at Jetstar prior to getting jobs at SH. None started later than March 2002 - this being six months before AO had even commenced operations.
20 of the 29 are ex-Impulse (prior to Qantas buy-out) and lost their Impulse seniority, where other airlines taken over by the company in the past didn't (Murray Valley Air and Air Queensland, for example). Unlike AO, our seniority was sorted by age order on the Qantas purchase date. So folks that have been flying years less than others are now more senior, due to their age on a given date.
The remaining 200 Impulse/QantasLink crew remain at Jetstar or have left altogether. If you are talking about the original Impulse Airlines crew then less than 20 of the 100 originals have ever been 'given' jobs at SH, and that;s only through Career Progression. That's 20%. While 100% of ex-AO crew were offered jobs at Qantas (I realise some chose JQ and there were a handful of CMs that came over as FAs).
No Impulse seniority was applied to staff travel. Only leave balances were carried across. For those now at SH, Staff Travel was reset, as with all QantasLink crew who take Career Progression. Some crew now having to wait 14 years service to get International J.
Something you need to remember is AO was closed down. Impulse Airlines as a company was used to create Jetstar. It was purchased as a going concern and continues to operate as such. The only entitlements which were carried over to the Qantas Group were leave balances (sick, annual and LSL).
At the end of the day we all have jobs. Yes, there is disparity between what some people get compared to others (EAA and SSA crew start at SH on Year 2 pay and IMP Year 1, for example). I will go out on a limb and suggest that there always will be disparities in the Qantas Group. Look at the treatment of the loyal, hardworking MAM casuals. Can you still suggest ex-AO crew are hard-done-by?
Oh, and I know several people who went from QFLink to AO that got staff travel from the day they joined AO. So this woman you know of must've been extremely unlucky.
Almost everyone in the QantasGroup has their own hard-luck story and gripes - some justified, some not so much. In my opinion, this kicking in the guts of Cairns crew seems to come from one place. Cairns.
You are off the mark re. ex-Impulse crew and all their little entitlements. So, just as you are upset at people picking apart 'poor' Cairns crew (your words), you are doing the same re. ex-Impulse crew.
For the record 29 ex-Impulse crew have been offered jobs at SH. That's around 15% of the cabin crew workforce prior to the commencement of Jetstar. They served between three months and 3.5 years at Jetstar prior to getting jobs at SH. None started later than March 2002 - this being six months before AO had even commenced operations.
20 of the 29 are ex-Impulse (prior to Qantas buy-out) and lost their Impulse seniority, where other airlines taken over by the company in the past didn't (Murray Valley Air and Air Queensland, for example). Unlike AO, our seniority was sorted by age order on the Qantas purchase date. So folks that have been flying years less than others are now more senior, due to their age on a given date.
The remaining 200 Impulse/QantasLink crew remain at Jetstar or have left altogether. If you are talking about the original Impulse Airlines crew then less than 20 of the 100 originals have ever been 'given' jobs at SH, and that;s only through Career Progression. That's 20%. While 100% of ex-AO crew were offered jobs at Qantas (I realise some chose JQ and there were a handful of CMs that came over as FAs).
No Impulse seniority was applied to staff travel. Only leave balances were carried across. For those now at SH, Staff Travel was reset, as with all QantasLink crew who take Career Progression. Some crew now having to wait 14 years service to get International J.
Something you need to remember is AO was closed down. Impulse Airlines as a company was used to create Jetstar. It was purchased as a going concern and continues to operate as such. The only entitlements which were carried over to the Qantas Group were leave balances (sick, annual and LSL).
At the end of the day we all have jobs. Yes, there is disparity between what some people get compared to others (EAA and SSA crew start at SH on Year 2 pay and IMP Year 1, for example). I will go out on a limb and suggest that there always will be disparities in the Qantas Group. Look at the treatment of the loyal, hardworking MAM casuals. Can you still suggest ex-AO crew are hard-done-by?
Oh, and I know several people who went from QFLink to AO that got staff travel from the day they joined AO. So this woman you know of must've been extremely unlucky.
Almost everyone in the QantasGroup has their own hard-luck story and gripes - some justified, some not so much. In my opinion, this kicking in the guts of Cairns crew seems to come from one place. Cairns.
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Ditzyboy,
Only the last two training schools at Australian Airlines received staff travel right away if they were employed by Qantas before, not QF link or any other subsidiary. There were 27 schools in front of that.
Staff travel is a privilege and not a right. Not covered by an eba and can be changed by the company at any time, so upgrade J class International isnt even a point.
Why would Cairns Crew sledge each other? The crew that were there that came over to LH as QCCA are lovely, Some of those being CSM's as Australian Airlines, and not even holding a grudge! It seems to me, it is Domestic crew who are the ones that are using them as a scape goat for all their problems. My self and others at LH wish that Australian Airlines crew were transfered over as LH, however the Union (surpirse surprise) were not strong enought to fight for them, and let them lay where they fell.
My appologies for drawing incorrect conclusions from Impulse entitlements.
Cairns crew should be supported by you domestics.. not Bated.
Only the last two training schools at Australian Airlines received staff travel right away if they were employed by Qantas before, not QF link or any other subsidiary. There were 27 schools in front of that.
Staff travel is a privilege and not a right. Not covered by an eba and can be changed by the company at any time, so upgrade J class International isnt even a point.
Why would Cairns Crew sledge each other? The crew that were there that came over to LH as QCCA are lovely, Some of those being CSM's as Australian Airlines, and not even holding a grudge! It seems to me, it is Domestic crew who are the ones that are using them as a scape goat for all their problems. My self and others at LH wish that Australian Airlines crew were transfered over as LH, however the Union (surpirse surprise) were not strong enought to fight for them, and let them lay where they fell.
My appologies for drawing incorrect conclusions from Impulse entitlements.
Cairns crew should be supported by you domestics.. not Bated.
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Uninformed,Misinformed,Petty and Smallminded
The number of posters who complain about what others have or have not is staggering.
Its like watching little children behaving badly.
Why cant you just be happy with your lot and wish others well in their good fortune?.
Before opening your mouth at least try to verify your information.
Or lack of it
Its like watching little children behaving badly.
Why cant you just be happy with your lot and wish others well in their good fortune?.
Before opening your mouth at least try to verify your information.
Or lack of it
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So whats the verdick did the right people get the gig or not? Its been a couple of days I would be interested in what people have to say.
Dont hold back unleash and lets here what everyone really thinks.
Dont hold back unleash and lets here what everyone really thinks.
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partially fair selection
Um, where to start? Firstly, congratulations to all deserving ones.
1. All CNS based crew who applied for it got it, due to 'operational requirement'; we all know company wants to downsize the base, but come on! If you are/were CNS based or know some of us, you'll know 2 of those don't deserve it. One failed initial EP and was stood down for doing silly things upline; one was full of attitudes and notorious in being rude to pax. What the? Even for 'operational requirement', shouldn't they still go through people's files? Not fair!!!
2. A strong belief that divisional transfer list was utilised after CNS slots were locked in. So the company went down the list then chose the people, at least for SYD that's the case. And I think that's fair enough, as all chosen ones out of SYD seem to be pretty good. Heard bad ones didn't get in; so the company did look at people's merits. Why the inconsistency? Then again we are talking about QF management here, nothing makes sense.
3. Some brown-nosed ex-CNS crew got chosen out of SYD base. So guys, start networking yourself 'exceptionally' and start baby sitting for managers. It does get you somewhere.
4. A lot of the willing and good people missed out this time. If there are other rounds in the cards, QF, please please conduct a sensible 'merit based' selection process. CNS should be downsized to required level now; it's time to look after those disheartened good workers from all bases.
Safe flying.
1. All CNS based crew who applied for it got it, due to 'operational requirement'; we all know company wants to downsize the base, but come on! If you are/were CNS based or know some of us, you'll know 2 of those don't deserve it. One failed initial EP and was stood down for doing silly things upline; one was full of attitudes and notorious in being rude to pax. What the? Even for 'operational requirement', shouldn't they still go through people's files? Not fair!!!
2. A strong belief that divisional transfer list was utilised after CNS slots were locked in. So the company went down the list then chose the people, at least for SYD that's the case. And I think that's fair enough, as all chosen ones out of SYD seem to be pretty good. Heard bad ones didn't get in; so the company did look at people's merits. Why the inconsistency? Then again we are talking about QF management here, nothing makes sense.
3. Some brown-nosed ex-CNS crew got chosen out of SYD base. So guys, start networking yourself 'exceptionally' and start baby sitting for managers. It does get you somewhere.
4. A lot of the willing and good people missed out this time. If there are other rounds in the cards, QF, please please conduct a sensible 'merit based' selection process. CNS should be downsized to required level now; it's time to look after those disheartened good workers from all bases.
Safe flying.
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"merit based system"?
no way, everyone knows how upgrades to csm is abused. brown nosing is a compulsory sport when going for the tie. seniority is the only way to apply it.
who cares if a crap short hauler gets a transfer, they are still providing the same second rate service, just in another division so no change overall. a merit based system could be abused by managers to transfer a problem crew member to another division so that the problem becomes another managers issue.
no way, everyone knows how upgrades to csm is abused. brown nosing is a compulsory sport when going for the tie. seniority is the only way to apply it.
who cares if a crap short hauler gets a transfer, they are still providing the same second rate service, just in another division so no change overall. a merit based system could be abused by managers to transfer a problem crew member to another division so that the problem becomes another managers issue.
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No reduction in wage? Me thinks not. SH has reduced flying now thanks to A330 domestic flying gone to LH, reduced flying means reduced overnights/wage. Simple fact.
Still don't understand why LH people think Short haulers are second rate? We all wear the same uniforms and all have great crew and lazy ones, another simple fact. No division is better than the other, we are all human beings, and we all work for Qantas.
Still don't understand why LH people think Short haulers are second rate? We all wear the same uniforms and all have great crew and lazy ones, another simple fact. No division is better than the other, we are all human beings, and we all work for Qantas.