jetstar curfew fine at YSSY
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Her it is folks.The "jury" has spoken.
Jetstar has become the first Australian airline to be prosecuted and fined for breaching Sydney Airport's curfew.
The airline was fined $148,500 in Sydney's Downing Centre Local Court on Tuesday for breaching the curfew on December 3, 2007, federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese said.
Jetstar pleaded guilty to the breach in January 2009.
Mr Albanese said a Jetstar flight breached the curfew when it departed Sydney airport about 30 minutes after the 11pm curfew, even though an application for dispensation was rejected.
The court decision sent a strong message to other airlines, Mr Albanese said.
"Compliance with curfew legislation must be observed," he said in a statement.
"The government remains committed to the retention of the existing curfew and cap on movements at Sydney Airport."
The maximum penalty for a curfew breach is $500,000.
Jetstar has become the first Australian airline to be prosecuted and fined for breaching Sydney Airport's curfew.
The airline was fined $148,500 in Sydney's Downing Centre Local Court on Tuesday for breaching the curfew on December 3, 2007, federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese said.
Jetstar pleaded guilty to the breach in January 2009.
Mr Albanese said a Jetstar flight breached the curfew when it departed Sydney airport about 30 minutes after the 11pm curfew, even though an application for dispensation was rejected.
The court decision sent a strong message to other airlines, Mr Albanese said.
"Compliance with curfew legislation must be observed," he said in a statement.
"The government remains committed to the retention of the existing curfew and cap on movements at Sydney Airport."
The maximum penalty for a curfew breach is $500,000.
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What an embarrassment that joint is!
The world laughs at us!
The only good thing about Sydney airport is the Deena 4!.... oh and the kebab place in the VB terminal
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The world laughs at us!
The only good thing about Sydney airport is the Deena 4!.... oh and the kebab place in the VB terminal
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Another reason why YSSY is a joke.......god forbid a couple of minutes late is going end the world.
I am sure all the JQ passengers on board agreed with the decision. Besides, the aircraft actually took over water, not land so the "disruption" to the precious residents would havebeen minimal.
I am sure all the JQ passengers on board agreed with the decision. Besides, the aircraft actually took over water, not land so the "disruption" to the precious residents would havebeen minimal.
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The curfew is an absolute joke.
The Hawker 900XP was rejected from the excemption list even though the 850XP which is noisier has been on it for years. During curfew you can only take off or land over the water anyways so what is the harm done? Are the ships unloading in Botany Bay going to complain?
The answer from the department was something about "not putting an additional undue pressure on the system during curfew hours". Please, SY controllers could make a killing playing the US stock market (at the moment anyway) or writing a thesis during curfew as there is nothing else to do.
"Undue pressure on my re-election" would have been far more appropriate!!
As for the fine. The re-election issue would be a likely consideration again. "I have been tough on the reckless airlines who so brazenly break the rules. Under this government, the airlines have been fined hundreds of thousands of dollars....."
The Hawker 900XP was rejected from the excemption list even though the 850XP which is noisier has been on it for years. During curfew you can only take off or land over the water anyways so what is the harm done? Are the ships unloading in Botany Bay going to complain?
The answer from the department was something about "not putting an additional undue pressure on the system during curfew hours". Please, SY controllers could make a killing playing the US stock market (at the moment anyway) or writing a thesis during curfew as there is nothing else to do.
"Undue pressure on my re-election" would have been far more appropriate!!
As for the fine. The re-election issue would be a likely consideration again. "I have been tough on the reckless airlines who so brazenly break the rules. Under this government, the airlines have been fined hundreds of thousands of dollars....."
The curfew issue at Sydney is one to which I will not be drawn into deep comment, other than to say I think that any 'global city' should have an airport accessible by international jet operations 24 hrs / day.
That having been said, rules are rules, and to blatantly disregard them (and no it was not a matter of 'just a few minutes') is criminal by definition and deserves to be punished! If you don't like the rules by which the game is played, don't break them, lobby to get them changed. All this incident serves to do it weaken JQ/QFs position to get the rules changed.
I say again SYD needs another airport which is not affected by this curfew...
That having been said, rules are rules, and to blatantly disregard them (and no it was not a matter of 'just a few minutes') is criminal by definition and deserves to be punished! If you don't like the rules by which the game is played, don't break them, lobby to get them changed. All this incident serves to do it weaken JQ/QFs position to get the rules changed.
I say again SYD needs another airport which is not affected by this curfew...
Last edited by OneDotLow; 6th May 2009 at 00:13. Reason: Edited 'international city' to read 'global city' to clarify comment.
A question for the tower controllers in YSSY. Do you know if someone who wants to blastoff during curfew has a dispensation or do you just have to trust the pilots? I find it strange that the tower would let you TKOF knowing that it is breaking the law.
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before we go for another airport in YSSY let's try to make the one we've got work better.
The checklist to a better YSSY starts (and finishes) with getting the pollies and their tail covering flunkies out of the game - scrap the movement cap - open up the curfew for designated a/c types - and fix Air Services.
The green paper submissions under infrastructure and noise are full of well meaning advocacies but reality is that the numbers in the adjoining (possibly marginal) electorate offer a more convincing argument.
before we go for another airport in YSSY let's try to make the one we've got work better.
The checklist to a better YSSY starts (and finishes) with getting the pollies and their tail covering flunkies out of the game - scrap the movement cap - open up the curfew for designated a/c types - and fix Air Services.
The green paper submissions under infrastructure and noise are full of well meaning advocacies but reality is that the numbers in the adjoining (possibly marginal) electorate offer a more convincing argument.
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$148,500 what a joke of a fine
even an average house in Sydney cost more than the fine, Jet* laughing all the way to the bank still.
The judge should be reminded Qantas boasts of its cash reserve at 3 billion dollars, I'd say maximum fine of 500,000 is still a little ripple in the Indian ocean. Not felt nor heard, not even newsworthy.
even an average house in Sydney cost more than the fine, Jet* laughing all the way to the bank still.
The judge should be reminded Qantas boasts of its cash reserve at 3 billion dollars, I'd say maximum fine of 500,000 is still a little ripple in the Indian ocean. Not felt nor heard, not even newsworthy.
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The Captain should be demoted or punished for this total disregard of the curfew. Whether he was leaned on by a tosser manager or not does not obsolve him/her from his duty to obey rules including a curfew no matter what their opinion. I don't believe there would be a QF pilot that would have the balls or stupidity to try this on. Flagrant disregard for the curfew by the crew and Jetstar is a total joke.
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A question for the tower controllers in YSSY. Do you know if someone who wants to blastoff during curfew has a dispensation or do you just have to trust the pilots? I find it strange that the tower would let you TKOF knowing that it is breaking the law.
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thanks for the answer.
For all we know, the flight crew were told by operations that they had a dispensation.
As for the curfew, I fully agree with the above posts. what a joke.
thanks for the answer.
For all we know, the flight crew were told by operations that they had a dispensation.
As for the curfew, I fully agree with the above posts. what a joke.
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Taking off after 11.00pm is not a criminal offence by the way. It is an offence against the legislation, but not criminal. Other airlines have made the commercial decision to ignore the curfew and been fined as well. I am no fan of Jetstar but keep this in perspective.
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if it comes down from the ceo to take off and he'll suffer the consequences then I'll go. Talk of sacking or demoting is utter nonsense considering the only offense is noise. Off the soapbox please.
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Having an international airport which is restricted to only 17 hours of operation per day is a bit like having an interstate highway only able to be used in daylight. As others have said, if the politicians had any desire to do anything other than get re-elected they would tell the complainants to sell up and bloody well move. There would be very few, if anyh, that have moved into the noise affected area that did not know there was an airport nearby.
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Yeh - but now that the curfew has been in place for some years now - the public/locals/pollies etc are going to have a big fight on their hands to get that changed so that SY can ben used 24/7.
call for flaps fourty at 12dme and drag it in.
my 2 cents, get rid of the stupid cufew. the runway 16/34 alignment has been at SYD for probably 50 years. get over it if you live on a flightpath.
and 'up yours' to the limit of movements.
with the company's blessing, i would break the curfew with glee in a heartbeat!
ps. dodgy, when in SYD next dial 1800-HOSS-BEER.
and 'up yours' to the limit of movements.
with the company's blessing, i would break the curfew with glee in a heartbeat!
ps. dodgy, when in SYD next dial 1800-HOSS-BEER.