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Old 28th Apr 2009, 17:26
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Yes Neeeewman

You obviously have no idea to make such a pathetic statement. Just ask the ex dispute guys how life was after the massive income drop and life working as a gardener. Maybe one day when you are in a big airline and you work with these guys you will be able to see why striking doesn't always work.
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Old 28th Apr 2009, 20:45
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So you agree with the "sentiments" of Zhaadum and SGT Schulzh's widespread accusation that "they" (which I take to mean the entire Indonesian population) do not have the ability to use modern technology like 1st world countries do.

Feel free to sit amongst the very small group racists that can't see further than their vey supierior noses.

Never make assumptions about the "direct and extensive dealings" of any poster!

Good luck with the continued advice from your little Hong Kong budies.
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Old 28th Apr 2009, 21:13
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personal perspective from the guys at Hong Kong Express or Hong Kong Airlines
Yep, complete and utter idiots. The one that tried to depart from the taxiway in HK was one of many potentially disastrous incidents. Sure it stems from training ( or lack of ) and culture, but what do you do, put the whole C & T department in jail...........hang on, that's a great idea
Of course, lying about your previous experience, which in most cases is probably extremely limited, does not help matters either.

Good luck with the continued advice from your little Hong Kong budies.(sic)
You need to get out of that little aviation backwater they call Oz, oh and get spell check too
Some of the guys that were in HKA/HKE have forgotten more about aviation than you will ever know.
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Old 28th Apr 2009, 22:26
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Ok play the man not the subject.

I tried.

I hark back to my earlier post of-

"Please don't turn this into an Indonesian Aviation bashing thread - it's a little more important than that"

Another thread to avoid.

Have fun.
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Old 29th Apr 2009, 00:38
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"Please don't turn this into an Indonesian Aviation bashing thread - it's a little more important than that"
It's hard not to do that when the Indonesians give us so many examples ....

Whether there is a systemic failure in their training or a cultural problem or whatever it's hard to argue that there is not a major problem with Indonesian aviation...
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Old 29th Apr 2009, 02:55
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I flew in Indonesia for a year with them.
It's all about "face" and not losing it.
They have the problem of it's being so entrenched in 'em for thousands of years from their their race and religeon.
It's not going to go away in a generation.
We knew we were on our own if there was an emergency and a couple of us experienced it.
I'm not racist. I do know a little of how they think.
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Old 29th Apr 2009, 02:59
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I'm certainly no lawyer, however my understanding of how the courts determine negligence is (in very simple terms)

A) That a duty of care exists
B) That the the duty of care has been breached
and C) That damage or injury was cased by the breach

Clearly A & C exist in this case.

When determining B the court looks at the standard of what actions an average (not exceptional) individual with similar training and experience would have done in the circumstances, and if the actions in question significantly deviate from the norm.

To me its pretty clear that an average, even low standard Captain of a 737 in airline operations would be able to have determined that a go around was the correct action to take. Given the serious damage caused including loss of life, charges of criminal neglegence including a gaol term as punishment shouldn't be discounted just because he's a pilot.
 
Old 29th Apr 2009, 13:08
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Buster, don't change, we love you just the way you are, (even if you love AFL) back to the Indo Pilots Federation, all I can say it says it all doesn't it, I cannot imagine our blokes going into bat for such a appalling lack of airmanship and skill, something you would not even imagine a student pilot trying on with 12 hours under their belt, the clackers must have been going nuts, and he obviously thought he knew better, he should be jailed for 20 years.
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