Rest of A332's & 3's to JQ?
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Rest of A332's & 3's to JQ?
Anyone know if there's any truth to what im hearing about the rest of QFs 330's getting transfered to JQ?
Word at the bus-stop is that with the 787 in-your-dreams-liner delays and the serious sh*t that QF long-haul is in, Joycie is thinking of transfering the 330-200 & 300s to jetstar so they can get into europe and mainland US earlier.
Word at the bus-stop is that with the 787 in-your-dreams-liner delays and the serious sh*t that QF long-haul is in, Joycie is thinking of transfering the 330-200 & 300s to jetstar so they can get into europe and mainland US earlier.
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I wouldnt think that ALL of the QF 330s would be going to Jokestar. AFAIK the 333s are still being heavily utilised - (NRT, SIN, HKG), as are the DOM 332s on the PER runs. I would think that with the cutback in China and India flying though there would be some spare international 332s available to be transferred from mainline though?
T to B, you are dredging the bottom of the rumour barrell now. There are 2 mainline A332's in domestic config (which is identical to JQ config ie JQ Star Class is domestic business class seats) which are probably going to be given to JQ. The other 4 mainline A332's and all 10 A333's have mainline international configurations and thus would require an expensive conversion to the JQ configuration.
However, it's possible that Joyce may have finally woken up to what a lot of contributors on PPRuNe have been saying for a long time - Why not leave Jetstar as a pure Airbus operator & thus benefit from the CCQ savings? The A332's have the range to operate the routes that Jetstar international want to operate (ie SIN-FCO, SIN-ATH etc) so it would make sense to operate a fleet of A320's & A330's. The rumours to the effect that Joyce wants to cancel the first 15 B787's (the -8 variant) would confirm that this may be what Joyce wants to do. It would save a lot of retraining.
However, it's possible that Joyce may have finally woken up to what a lot of contributors on PPRuNe have been saying for a long time - Why not leave Jetstar as a pure Airbus operator & thus benefit from the CCQ savings? The A332's have the range to operate the routes that Jetstar international want to operate (ie SIN-FCO, SIN-ATH etc) so it would make sense to operate a fleet of A320's & A330's. The rumours to the effect that Joyce wants to cancel the first 15 B787's (the -8 variant) would confirm that this may be what Joyce wants to do. It would save a lot of retraining.
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Bottles, barrells - I like em all mate!
That makes sense - transfer the 332s to JQ to do what they need to do now, cancel the dash-8s, and then take the dash 9's that QF realy wanted in the first place (assuming they're built).
No doubt what my source heard was your 'sensible' version after it was suitably filtered through the chinese whisper system.
That makes sense - transfer the 332s to JQ to do what they need to do now, cancel the dash-8s, and then take the dash 9's that QF realy wanted in the first place (assuming they're built).
No doubt what my source heard was your 'sensible' version after it was suitably filtered through the chinese whisper system.
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I would think that with the cutback in China and India flying though there would be some spare international 332s available to be transferred from mainline though?
plus they have cut back some MEL-NRT/HKG & SYD-HKG flying also. I've seen a the IN 332's doing a fair few SYD-PER's recently.
Makes sense for them to go to JQ. Can't be that exepnsive to pull out the seats and replace them with the millenium seating.
Means a reduction in mainline capacity and JQ can grow without the extra $$ burden of the pipedreamliners....
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There are around 350 QF pilots flying on the A330 now. With bottom up redundancy, the 767 already in surplus, where exactly are you going to put these people?
Don't tell me Jetstar or the 787-900, which is still years away from delivery.
Don't tell me Jetstar or the 787-900, which is still years away from delivery.
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to mangle a famous quote by Rod Eddington, Jetstar is a great business but a sh*t airline.
Actually its not all that sh*t - i fly em quite a bit and compared to the european LCCs they do a pretty good job. If nothing goes wrong - delays, wx etc - they get you there in pretty good order with pretty good flighties and svc. Its another story when the brown stuff hits the fan however.
But from a business perspective its a pretty winning formula - give it to em cheap and they lap it up.
For what its worth, I was involved on the periphery with the set-up of JQ international (consultant) and can tell you that - at least from what i was involved in (aircraft and related svcs) - there werent a whole lot of favours given by QF to JQ. Based on the bencmarking we did they're paying pretty fair rates for things sourced from the mother ship (at least at that time).
Actually its not all that sh*t - i fly em quite a bit and compared to the european LCCs they do a pretty good job. If nothing goes wrong - delays, wx etc - they get you there in pretty good order with pretty good flighties and svc. Its another story when the brown stuff hits the fan however.
But from a business perspective its a pretty winning formula - give it to em cheap and they lap it up.
For what its worth, I was involved on the periphery with the set-up of JQ international (consultant) and can tell you that - at least from what i was involved in (aircraft and related svcs) - there werent a whole lot of favours given by QF to JQ. Based on the bencmarking we did they're paying pretty fair rates for things sourced from the mother ship (at least at that time).
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Throttle to bottle,
Can you help me with the Jetstar International business model and how [if?] it extends beyond the "bogan to Bali" mode of transport ?
Why would a logical person fly Jetstar, longhaul to Europe when they could for the same money or less travel full service with an Asian carrier?
Or are you really suggesting that Jetstar are going to be able to undercut Thai, Malaysian and the like?
Can you help me with the Jetstar International business model and how [if?] it extends beyond the "bogan to Bali" mode of transport ?
Why would a logical person fly Jetstar, longhaul to Europe when they could for the same money or less travel full service with an Asian carrier?
Or are you really suggesting that Jetstar are going to be able to undercut Thai, Malaysian and the like?
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ANstar, as you probably already know, galley bulkheads on Airbus types are part of the structural integrity of the aircraft (unlike Boeing). The QF International configured A333's & A332's have larger galleys (than Domestic/JQ) to carry two full service meals and, consequently, there is less floor space available for seats. You're right that they could just replace the seats and accept the reduced capacity but it wouldn't provide the optimum returns required under a LCC model. To modify the galleys to gain the extra seating would be very expensive.
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Under AJ's assumed plans here, it would seem that they might think it even more expensive to either (a) maintain the status-quo with mainline doing the flying (not likely), or (b) drop those routes they see as being unprofitable to continue flying under the mainline guise (also not likely).
Who knows; maybe they're thinking that they might as well just re-paint the existing mainline fleet and have JQ operate them in their current config. Particularly the -200 International Config ones - that would free up a little more gas to go the extra mile (or 600) needed to fly BKK-MUC/FCO. Or, as someone else said, just re-configure them with more seats and leave the galleys/bulkheads as they are. Surely it can only mean the loss of a couple extra rows.
Either this rumour is a self-perpetuating one, or there's something in it, because I've been hearing this from Engineers, Ground Staff and office types for the last month or so.
Who knows; maybe they're thinking that they might as well just re-paint the existing mainline fleet and have JQ operate them in their current config. Particularly the -200 International Config ones - that would free up a little more gas to go the extra mile (or 600) needed to fly BKK-MUC/FCO. Or, as someone else said, just re-configure them with more seats and leave the galleys/bulkheads as they are. Surely it can only mean the loss of a couple extra rows.
Either this rumour is a self-perpetuating one, or there's something in it, because I've been hearing this from Engineers, Ground Staff and office types for the last month or so.
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I thought at one stage, Qantas had a problem with flying twins over the Himalayas - is that still the case, whether with Qantas planes or Jetstar planes?
Jetstar could fly to Europe by extending the MEL-BKK flights, but who wants to travel to MEL to get onto those flights? So would people fly Qantas SYD-BKK and join JQ there? Would JQ duplicate some Qantas flights to feed the hub?
If we have to tick the boxes to prepay meals and neck pillows and dig-e-players for BKK-FCO/ATH that will be an expensive exercise. An forget about competing against Singapore Airlines. With Singapore Airlines planes about to hit the second hand market, Jetstar will be competing against some Asian airlines which have not been formed yet. Perhaps airlines with hubs at Thai resorts, who fly Europeans and Australians there, and offer through fares Australia-Europe at Marginal pricing.
Jetstar could fly to Europe by extending the MEL-BKK flights, but who wants to travel to MEL to get onto those flights? So would people fly Qantas SYD-BKK and join JQ there? Would JQ duplicate some Qantas flights to feed the hub?
If we have to tick the boxes to prepay meals and neck pillows and dig-e-players for BKK-FCO/ATH that will be an expensive exercise. An forget about competing against Singapore Airlines. With Singapore Airlines planes about to hit the second hand market, Jetstar will be competing against some Asian airlines which have not been formed yet. Perhaps airlines with hubs at Thai resorts, who fly Europeans and Australians there, and offer through fares Australia-Europe at Marginal pricing.
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ANstar works for Jetstar, it's so obvious
If you are referring to my name it actually relates back to Ansett Australia... AN... and if I recall correctly they had STAR's on their tale.... hence the name!
Anyways this thread is not about me or who I work for....so time to get back on topic....
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ANstar, as you probably already know, galley bulkheads on Airbus types are part of the structural integrity of the aircraft (unlike Boeing). The QF International configured A333's & A332's have larger galleys (than Domestic/JQ) to carry two full service meals and, consequently, there is less floor space available for seats.
The initial 333s were delivered in an Domestic configuration and had a considerable amount of work done in reconfiguring the Doors 1 and Doors 4 galleys to International standard. In fact they do not resemble the former domestic galleys (very similar to the Dom -200s) at all.
Are you suggesting that if a larger galley is installed on delivery it cannot be removed? I am curious as the -300s now have several galley units not present when they were delivered in the Dom config.
Are you suggesting that if a larger galley is installed on delivery it cannot be removed?
Alangirvan, I believe that the problem relating to QF flying "twins" over the Himalayas was due to the B767's having pax oxy generators of limited duration that was insufficient for what was required before the aircraft could descend to 14,000'. Aircraft that have oxy bottles in sufficient numbers to keep the pax (& crew) concious for extended periods can operate without restriction.