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OCCR I'm sure you know what I mean. I'm very respectful to those who deserve it - and that is the majority. Which means I normally sign in last. 
Anyway OCCR...I'm ' just a domestic ' as you say. I'm the type that try and 'stitch up the A380' behind your back so wouldn't you expect that from me ?
Anyway OCCR...I'm ' just a domestic ' as you say. I'm the type that try and 'stitch up the A380' behind your back so wouldn't you expect that from me ?
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Arent you ex AO crew?
Anyway, one thing I try and separate is the fact that 95% of the "domestics " are good people and are excellent at their jobs and have Morals, its the Domestic FAAA that is untrustworthy.
Anyway, one thing I try and separate is the fact that 95% of the "domestics " are good people and are excellent at their jobs and have Morals, its the Domestic FAAA that is untrustworthy.
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Had to laugh...
Today in the SYD crew lounge I overheard two beehives talking. One was whining about an issue with Allocations. The other says
I laughed out loud - couldn't resist! When will these women learn that they matter no more to Qantas than the juniors or the MAMs they berate so much. What happened that created such a sense of entitlement and superiority amongst these women?
Get over yourselves! Or better yet - leave. Short Haul may indeed become a better place.
"But don't they know who you are?"
Get over yourselves! Or better yet - leave. Short Haul may indeed become a better place.
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Im glad you made that distinction OCCR!
Its nice to hear (even though its all too rare) something positive and respectful
about each other. We have to keep foremost in out minds that we have to stick together during these times of inevitable change. We need to set aside and move on from the errors of the past and work towards a more united
future. Wherever you read these days, commentators say that QF will be a completely different beast in 5 years time so, with that in mind, we also need to evolve. If ever there was a time for both divisions of the FAAA to put aside their differences and work together it is now!! The company must love reading all the various posts on Pprune and see us all at each others throats. Their tactics of divide and conquer are all on display to the world and they can sit back and watch us destroy each other.........Well, we need to be better that that!!
So, if anyone from the FAAA LH and SH is reading this, you need to get with it as this may be the only chance you may have.
Its nice to hear (even though its all too rare) something positive and respectful
about each other. We have to keep foremost in out minds that we have to stick together during these times of inevitable change. We need to set aside and move on from the errors of the past and work towards a more united
future. Wherever you read these days, commentators say that QF will be a completely different beast in 5 years time so, with that in mind, we also need to evolve. If ever there was a time for both divisions of the FAAA to put aside their differences and work together it is now!! The company must love reading all the various posts on Pprune and see us all at each others throats. Their tactics of divide and conquer are all on display to the world and they can sit back and watch us destroy each other.........Well, we need to be better that that!!
So, if anyone from the FAAA LH and SH is reading this, you need to get with it as this may be the only chance you may have.
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argusmoon: Why in this current economic environment, where Australians are being put out of work,should an Australian Company have a foreign base?
Now is a good time to centralize the business and remove duplicated costs.
The closure of the AKL base is another option that needs to be looked at
There are reasons they do that, it's like saying to General Motors why don't they just shut their Holden factories here in Adelaide and Victoria since in this economic climate, it makes sense not to make their Holden badges in Australia and shift every job back into Detroit, esp since General Motors is now tax payers funded, but I did not see an immediate closure of Holden factories here in Australia (which BTW would be devastating for Australia: thousands of jobs will be shown the door, including dealers, spare parts manufacturers etc) Companies have their reasons for having an overseas staff presence.
Now is a good time to centralize the business and remove duplicated costs.
The closure of the AKL base is another option that needs to be looked at
There are reasons they do that, it's like saying to General Motors why don't they just shut their Holden factories here in Adelaide and Victoria since in this economic climate, it makes sense not to make their Holden badges in Australia and shift every job back into Detroit, esp since General Motors is now tax payers funded, but I did not see an immediate closure of Holden factories here in Australia (which BTW would be devastating for Australia: thousands of jobs will be shown the door, including dealers, spare parts manufacturers etc) Companies have their reasons for having an overseas staff presence.
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The International FAAA represents INternational Crew, The Domestic FAAA represents domestic crew.
INternational Flight attendants at Qantas do not chase "domestic" work, do not conspire with the company to get domestic work and do not crave the lifestyle of the domestic flight attendant. They have made choices and are largely happy with them
On the other Hand the Domestic division of the FAAA has conspired with management to get long haul flying with the regional flying grab and the use of MAM casuals. Just when International Flight Attendants thought we could put that behind us and move on and perhaps re-unite, those duplicitous officials of the Domestic FAAA have made another grab for International Flying. But this time its the A380 and they have the temerity to do it without again any discussion with their International Counterparts.
There will be no amalgamation of the two divisions of the FAAA until the domestic officials respsonsible for this behaviour are gone . QED
INternational Flight attendants at Qantas do not chase "domestic" work, do not conspire with the company to get domestic work and do not crave the lifestyle of the domestic flight attendant. They have made choices and are largely happy with them
On the other Hand the Domestic division of the FAAA has conspired with management to get long haul flying with the regional flying grab and the use of MAM casuals. Just when International Flight Attendants thought we could put that behind us and move on and perhaps re-unite, those duplicitous officials of the Domestic FAAA have made another grab for International Flying. But this time its the A380 and they have the temerity to do it without again any discussion with their International Counterparts.
There will be no amalgamation of the two divisions of the FAAA until the domestic officials respsonsible for this behaviour are gone . QED
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Another Act Of Bastardry
There is no depth to how low this contemptible lot will go.They never learn.They just invent opportunities to back door LH CC.Unfortunately for them this is a different environment and the LH FAAA have been bitten once and will not be caught out again.
With this latest revelation whatever sympathy anyone in LH may have had for them has evaporated.
There will never ever be one Union while the current domestic union executive draw breath.
Turn the whole bunch over to Jetstar and be done with it.
Contemptible swines
With this latest revelation whatever sympathy anyone in LH may have had for them has evaporated.
There will never ever be one Union while the current domestic union executive draw breath.
Turn the whole bunch over to Jetstar and be done with it.
Contemptible swines
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surfside;
Sort of reminds me of the behaviour of the long haul flight attendants when they voted up the last EBA, thereby screwing over the QCCA guys. Looking after themselves, not unlike the domestics. Contemptible swines!
You guys reckon short haul are bad hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
And re old hosties and criticizing the short haulers, have you ever looked at the old boilers who get off the la flights. OMG, wouldn't be a person under 50! Ever heard of the saying with the words pot and kettle in it.
Sort of reminds me of the behaviour of the long haul flight attendants when they voted up the last EBA, thereby screwing over the QCCA guys. Looking after themselves, not unlike the domestics. Contemptible swines!
You guys reckon short haul are bad hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
And re old hosties and criticizing the short haulers, have you ever looked at the old boilers who get off the la flights. OMG, wouldn't be a person under 50! Ever heard of the saying with the words pot and kettle in it.
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LH crew did not screw the QCCA crew, they made them part of the one EBA and in doing so got them considerably better than Team Jetstar positions and the jobs ended up in Australia as opposed to New Zealand or BKK
they get 6 weeks annual leave, sick leave, the same cash meal allowances as QAL crew, dry cleaning card, staff travel and access to CSS and CSM positions
Lets compare that with the MAM casuals that the SH crew have used like a CHUX ...no sick leave, no annual leave, no staff travel and some of them working 160 hours a month to get a decent income..
Hypocrisy??? lol the SH Beehives not only take the cake they BAKE it lol literally
they get 6 weeks annual leave, sick leave, the same cash meal allowances as QAL crew, dry cleaning card, staff travel and access to CSS and CSM positions
Lets compare that with the MAM casuals that the SH crew have used like a CHUX ...no sick leave, no annual leave, no staff travel and some of them working 160 hours a month to get a decent income..
Hypocrisy??? lol the SH Beehives not only take the cake they BAKE it lol literally
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Pegasus... Maybe you should compare the pay and conditions of QCCA and QD. QD are on MUCH better pay, and also enjoy sick leave, holiday pay, and staff travel, and access to CSM positions. We at shorthaul were all amazed that they got such a great deal.
And, you are always critizising the pay and conditions of MAM casuals. Sure they didn't/don't get the benefits enjoyed by permanent employees, but they sure were earning the dollars. I won't post amounts on here, but believe me if they chose to work 160 hours a bid period, they were extremely well renumerated.
And, you are always critizising the pay and conditions of MAM casuals. Sure they didn't/don't get the benefits enjoyed by permanent employees, but they sure were earning the dollars. I won't post amounts on here, but believe me if they chose to work 160 hours a bid period, they were extremely well renumerated.
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Defending the Indefensible
No matter what spin or defense you apply to what the domestic FAAA have attempted it is still appalling.
It displays a total lack of ethics and consideration for others.
A disgrace
It displays a total lack of ethics and consideration for others.
A disgrace
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We at shorthaul were all amazed that they got such a great deal.
A great deal when compared with what? Certainly not the conditions you, nor I, 'enjoy'. Whilst the QD conditions are semi-decent they are certainly not what I would call 'great'.
Besides. Hasn't our union effectively locked the HARDWORKING, LOYAL MAM crew out of these positions to protect FWA?! Imagine being in a MAMs shoes, seeing all these off-the-streeters employed under QD whilst being forced to stay casual so the full-timers can dump their CBR returns.
We are told this is due to IT system issues. Yeah right. Or if it is that much an issue we should be looking at what else can be changed to facilitate MAMs becoming QD.
Or are MAMs not as important to the FAAA as the ability to dump trips? Certainly seems that way!
Lets compare that with the MAM casuals that the SH crew have used like a CHUX... Hypocrisy??? lol the SH Beehives not only take the cake they BAKE it lol literally
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funbags, i'm with u on the quokka thing. short haul started the crap with no bands for transferees. we need a mob from both short and longhaul to turf out the incumbents in control of the 2 divisions, egt new leadership that will work together, not against each other. company must be peeing their pants laughing about the two divisions backdooring each other.
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Whilst crew are in different unions and see only the view from their own backyards the company wins.....
Don't forget that the company has always used any excuse to lower pay and conditions of it's employees.There will always be those who are swallow the company line and will give in.....but remember the company has been caught out many times trying to pull a fast one.
Here's a question for Pegasus...How many times since you agreed to a reduction of one crew member on the 4 class 747 has the company fulfilled their promise to put them back on if the pax load is above a certain percentage?
Is it also true that the recent excel award ceremony was held on the Royal Carribean Cruise ship,Rhapsody of the Seas.....This must have cost a fortune when they could haver held it in the newly refurbished $10 million center of excrement.
Now they are telling everyone that they have to get rid of nearly 2000 staff....
Before you start having a shot at each other remember who the real opposition is and what they're aim is.....
Don't forget that the company has always used any excuse to lower pay and conditions of it's employees.There will always be those who are swallow the company line and will give in.....but remember the company has been caught out many times trying to pull a fast one.
Here's a question for Pegasus...How many times since you agreed to a reduction of one crew member on the 4 class 747 has the company fulfilled their promise to put them back on if the pax load is above a certain percentage?
Is it also true that the recent excel award ceremony was held on the Royal Carribean Cruise ship,Rhapsody of the Seas.....This must have cost a fortune when they could haver held it in the newly refurbished $10 million center of excrement.
Now they are telling everyone that they have to get rid of nearly 2000 staff....
Before you start having a shot at each other remember who the real opposition is and what they're aim is.....
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Lowerlobe, i know some of this stuff was always difficult for you to understand when you were flying but it must be even harder for you now when you just lob these things from the golf course.
If you were a long Haul flight attendant like you claim, you would know that crew complement has never been in the underlying 1974 award nor any of the 8 EBA's negotiated by a plethora of officials over 20 years.
The company determines the crew complement and always have. The company never promised to put additional crew on depending on load, it was a stupid comment made by one manager at crew briefings that the company couldnt deliver on or manage effectively
Totally agree on the whole excel thing. To be honest i have always viewed them as a badge of shame, as many of the recipients are shameless self promotors who have chased the badge.
I personally think that the great unsung heroes in our ranks who would never receive one are more deserving of recognition but of course that would never happen.
As for it being held on a cruise ship on the harbour replete with all the usual hangers on i can only say the say thing is that the ship didnt hit an iceberg because you could have effectively wiped out the current surplus in management in one fell swoop and gotten rid of the most deserving recipients of a redundancy package
If you were a long Haul flight attendant like you claim, you would know that crew complement has never been in the underlying 1974 award nor any of the 8 EBA's negotiated by a plethora of officials over 20 years.
The company determines the crew complement and always have. The company never promised to put additional crew on depending on load, it was a stupid comment made by one manager at crew briefings that the company couldnt deliver on or manage effectively
Totally agree on the whole excel thing. To be honest i have always viewed them as a badge of shame, as many of the recipients are shameless self promotors who have chased the badge.
I personally think that the great unsung heroes in our ranks who would never receive one are more deserving of recognition but of course that would never happen.
As for it being held on a cruise ship on the harbour replete with all the usual hangers on i can only say the say thing is that the ship didnt hit an iceberg because you could have effectively wiped out the current surplus in management in one fell swoop and gotten rid of the most deserving recipients of a redundancy package
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too funny.......lol .......pegasus.
Yes an iceberg is correct....
How true, anyone with any decency views the Excel badge as a shameful thing to wear, anyway the Kiwi crew are getting copies made up in Asia...
I like many people would never ever wear one......they really have to get rid of the program or fundamentally change it.....what a joke!
Yes an iceberg is correct....
How true, anyone with any decency views the Excel badge as a shameful thing to wear, anyway the Kiwi crew are getting copies made up in Asia...
I like many people would never ever wear one......they really have to get rid of the program or fundamentally change it.....what a joke!