Jetstar its all about choice, well sort of..
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Mohikan when are you going to spell like a "real" pilot.
It's sew not sow!
or is that sow not sew.
Bugga, I give up, I'd better go back to knitting.
Or shud that be nitting?
Oh bugga I give up, I should go back to writing Flight Standing Orders!
It's sew not sow!
or is that sow not sew.
Bugga, I give up, I'd better go back to knitting.
Or shud that be nitting?
Oh bugga I give up, I should go back to writing Flight Standing Orders!
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Guys, just putting in my whinge, not once but twice in the last fortnight, on two seperate flights to SYD from OOL, the aircraft waited off airbridge about 30 ft out and on BOTH occasions the PAX were allowed to stand, get down luggage, and continue as aircraft taxied in, aircraft moving, pax jostling luggage, perhaps a little talk to the cabin manager in the future as their trainers don't seem to be doing their job, and if a CASA person on board.................?
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The undercutters being undercut? Does that mean Jetstar NZ crew flying Jetstar Oz routes domestically or internationally? If that were to happen I would be concerned for all Australian based crew in Jetstar. It would be interesting to find out whether Jetstar are recruiting in New Zealand currently while stopping recruiting in Australia. The economic downturn could explain a slowdown in recruitment here but then when things improve will Jetstar commence recruitment in Australia or recruit overseas?
DHC-1
I think you have hit the nail on the head - and it paints a picture for not only AUS JQ but QF domestic crews as well.
I have an application in for J* and, like all other J* applicants, I received an email inviting applications for J*NZ. They made it very clear that there will be NO transfers to JQ AUS and meanwhile JQ AUS is not recruiting at all.
KRudd has only last month been to UnZud to broker a deal to make trans-tasman flights "domestic".
Qualifications are mutuilly ricognised through the TTMRA.
Language and skin colour aren't a barrier to the prijudices of the gineral publuc.
The stage is set for a wholesale export of high-paying Australian jobs to New Zealand. It will happen soon, it will happen quickly and smoothly, and to the general public it will be imperceptible.
Right under the AFAP and AIPA's noses
I ask again - where are the angry public statements from OUR union?
I have an application in for J* and, like all other J* applicants, I received an email inviting applications for J*NZ. They made it very clear that there will be NO transfers to JQ AUS and meanwhile JQ AUS is not recruiting at all.
KRudd has only last month been to UnZud to broker a deal to make trans-tasman flights "domestic".
Qualifications are mutuilly ricognised through the TTMRA.
Language and skin colour aren't a barrier to the prijudices of the gineral publuc.
The stage is set for a wholesale export of high-paying Australian jobs to New Zealand. It will happen soon, it will happen quickly and smoothly, and to the general public it will be imperceptible.
Right under the AFAP and AIPA's noses
I ask again - where are the angry public statements from OUR union?
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They made it very clear that there will be NO transfers to JQ AUS
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Lets see Sky Gods there is Jutconnect and Aus airlines and! National Jet.
Years before Impulse was bought buy QF.
Thanks for your help. Sky Gods
Years before Impulse was bought buy QF.
Thanks for your help. Sky Gods
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Hlb,
You raise some interesting points particularly with respect to KRudd's timing and lack of union action. Talking stimulus packages I read travel agents are packaging overseas holidays to NZ, South Pacific and some Asian destinations for around the $900 mark. I expect the economies in those countries will do well from the stimulus package. Sorry to diverge back to subject. I have friends who are teachers and recently travelled Jstar to Asia. They were surprised there was one Australian based flight attendant with the remaining crew being from overseas bases. I don't know if this is representative of Jstar crew flying to Asian ports so I'm happy to be corrected. They were concerned if there were Australian jobs being lost overseas. I asked them two questions:
1. What does a first year teaching graduate in NSW earn? They thought approx $43000.
2. What would be the reaction from the teachers federation in NSW should the NSW education department begin recruiting teachers from NZ and south east Asian countries to teach in Australia for $20K-$30K?
There was response was it would never happen in Australia. Hmmmmmm.
You raise some interesting points particularly with respect to KRudd's timing and lack of union action. Talking stimulus packages I read travel agents are packaging overseas holidays to NZ, South Pacific and some Asian destinations for around the $900 mark. I expect the economies in those countries will do well from the stimulus package. Sorry to diverge back to subject. I have friends who are teachers and recently travelled Jstar to Asia. They were surprised there was one Australian based flight attendant with the remaining crew being from overseas bases. I don't know if this is representative of Jstar crew flying to Asian ports so I'm happy to be corrected. They were concerned if there were Australian jobs being lost overseas. I asked them two questions:
1. What does a first year teaching graduate in NSW earn? They thought approx $43000.
2. What would be the reaction from the teachers federation in NSW should the NSW education department begin recruiting teachers from NZ and south east Asian countries to teach in Australia for $20K-$30K?
There was response was it would never happen in Australia. Hmmmmmm.
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Well I,ll tell you Dash. The flights out of Sin -Per return, the PER-BALI and the PER-JAKARTA flights are crewed by THAI flight Attendants.
The CNS-DN-SIN return flights are now crewed by Singapore Nationals, Except for the odd aussie cabin manager. What,s most disturbing is that Cns aussie flt attendants were forced off this route with forced relocations to other bases or to domestic operations. These foreign nationals are flying domestic sectors ie Cns -Dn at the expence of Aussie,s because they pay these girls about half as much as an Aussie.
Not only that but they are about to introduce a scheme by which the foreign girls will have to share hotel rooms on Overnights. When I tell themthey should protest this and that they would be very unlikely to get away with this here, they reply , so sorry but 5000 people Bankok apply for job, they just sack us we object.
Well come to think of it they're dead right, the dirty c**** would find a way. Dash your scenario is spot on , WE ARE ALL BEING LINED UP.
The CNS-DN-SIN return flights are now crewed by Singapore Nationals, Except for the odd aussie cabin manager. What,s most disturbing is that Cns aussie flt attendants were forced off this route with forced relocations to other bases or to domestic operations. These foreign nationals are flying domestic sectors ie Cns -Dn at the expence of Aussie,s because they pay these girls about half as much as an Aussie.
Not only that but they are about to introduce a scheme by which the foreign girls will have to share hotel rooms on Overnights. When I tell themthey should protest this and that they would be very unlikely to get away with this here, they reply , so sorry but 5000 people Bankok apply for job, they just sack us we object.
Well come to think of it they're dead right, the dirty c**** would find a way. Dash your scenario is spot on , WE ARE ALL BEING LINED UP.
They will build an airline with foreign based labour, paying them less than the cost of living in Australia if they could. It is happening in IT/computer industry, they did in the states with the RJ's, they are trying in Europe with the whole EU setup (ie no borders) and now they will try it in Australia with Asian and NZ crews.
Thankfully for pilots we won't be undercut by Asian counterparts because the airlines in Australia won't want to have the training costs of Asian airlines. They will however start running everything out of NZ with subbies flying around in Jetstar/QF/VB aircraft. You will just work for a labour hire firm who has a contract to provide labour for your particular airline.
Begs the questions:
Why didn't the unions go for scope clauses like the US unions?
How does CASA regulate foreign operators flying in its jurisdiction?
Maybe AIPA should have let Impulse to join them eh? Good decision that one!
How can Cabin Crew share hotels rooms under all these new Fatigue Management systems??
Thankfully for pilots we won't be undercut by Asian counterparts because the airlines in Australia won't want to have the training costs of Asian airlines. They will however start running everything out of NZ with subbies flying around in Jetstar/QF/VB aircraft. You will just work for a labour hire firm who has a contract to provide labour for your particular airline.
Begs the questions:
Why didn't the unions go for scope clauses like the US unions?
How does CASA regulate foreign operators flying in its jurisdiction?
Maybe AIPA should have let Impulse to join them eh? Good decision that one!
How can Cabin Crew share hotels rooms under all these new Fatigue Management systems??
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Maybe AIPA should have let Impulse to join them eh? Good decision that one!
Hmmm...
"There are none so hard to help as those who will not help themselves." 
Some here need to stop blaming pilots on supposedly "better" contracts for their own persecuted states. Leveraging off higher pay to get the entry-level job, then crying about the lack of help in improving the "new-low" conditions is simplistic in the extreme.
Some here need to stop blaming pilots on supposedly "better" contracts for their own persecuted states. Leveraging off higher pay to get the entry-level job, then crying about the lack of help in improving the "new-low" conditions is simplistic in the extreme.
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Unfortunately at the time AIPA couldn't legally cover the Impulse boys even if they wanted to.No point in letting the truth get in the way of a good story though!
As for scope clauses, been tied on many times in the past but management were two steps ahead and wouldn't have a bar of it.
As for scope clauses, been tied on many times in the past but management were two steps ahead and wouldn't have a bar of it.
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Right said there Freddy... GD's promise came true.
As for sharing accomodation, flighties of some asian airlines usually share a room, apparantly it's been the norm for quite a while.
As for sharing accomodation, flighties of some asian airlines usually share a room, apparantly it's been the norm for quite a while.
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So let me get this right, its starts with overseas flight attendants taking jobs away from Australian Jetstar flight attendants followed soon after by foreign pilots taking jobs from Australian Jetstar pilots? As my teacher friends would say, would never happen in Australia. Hmmmmmm. Interesting comment about Impulse and AIPA.