Jetstar its all about choice, well sort of..
Absolutely right.
You guys need to put the past behind you, let history-affected egos take a rest, get cohesive and have one STRONG representative body.
It doesn't matter which group you use to represent you (though from a distance the JPA seems weak) so long as you are a united group. No more of this silly "I'm ex-Impulse, or ex-Ansett, or ex-Dispute" stuff. Move on.
Last year there was a pilot shortage that was killing airlines worldwide and starting to severely hurt those in Australia. The current financial downturn won't last forever and because there are no new pilots being manufactured but many aircraft on order, that shortage will soon be bigger and 'better' than last year.
Thus, don't go throwing away Terms and Conditions to opportunistic airline managers at this time. To force pilots to continuously move bases (thus houses, kids schools etc) at the whim of today's favourite management whiz-kid is a case in point. Start getting tactical and apply a little pressure back on those managers.
Rightly or wrongly, the Australian public will not accept say Indonesian pilots replacing you guys to save money (there are too many images of unsafe Asian airlines that such a move would be a PR nightmare) - so you are very valuable assets. For goodness sake, take advantage of that position.
However as it stands, some 22 year-old management graduate may decide that with 787's flying to Europe, it is financially prudent to base say 60% of pilots in the hub at Chiang Mai and you will then be told to move there or leave. What will you do then?
Dixon allegedly referred to QF pilots as 'soft-cocks' because he was amazed at how wimpy and easily manipulated they were. It seems that stance is even more pronounced when it comes to Jetstar pilots.
You need to change that if you want a reasonable career in the future. You need to start formulatin action-plans NOW.
You guys need to put the past behind you, let history-affected egos take a rest, get cohesive and have one STRONG representative body.
It doesn't matter which group you use to represent you (though from a distance the JPA seems weak) so long as you are a united group. No more of this silly "I'm ex-Impulse, or ex-Ansett, or ex-Dispute" stuff. Move on.
Last year there was a pilot shortage that was killing airlines worldwide and starting to severely hurt those in Australia. The current financial downturn won't last forever and because there are no new pilots being manufactured but many aircraft on order, that shortage will soon be bigger and 'better' than last year.
Thus, don't go throwing away Terms and Conditions to opportunistic airline managers at this time. To force pilots to continuously move bases (thus houses, kids schools etc) at the whim of today's favourite management whiz-kid is a case in point. Start getting tactical and apply a little pressure back on those managers.
Rightly or wrongly, the Australian public will not accept say Indonesian pilots replacing you guys to save money (there are too many images of unsafe Asian airlines that such a move would be a PR nightmare) - so you are very valuable assets. For goodness sake, take advantage of that position.
However as it stands, some 22 year-old management graduate may decide that with 787's flying to Europe, it is financially prudent to base say 60% of pilots in the hub at Chiang Mai and you will then be told to move there or leave. What will you do then?
Dixon allegedly referred to QF pilots as 'soft-cocks' because he was amazed at how wimpy and easily manipulated they were. It seems that stance is even more pronounced when it comes to Jetstar pilots.
You need to change that if you want a reasonable career in the future. You need to start formulatin action-plans NOW.
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Well said to you to Al..
Lets stand up and fight for our rights... For once, and for all... It has to be done... Dixon was right with that comment. We are... And enough is enough.
To the unions, get it together will you. We only need one union, and if we were all a part of that one union, imagine the strength.
Lets stop being weak, wimpy, and manipulative. And lets stop it now!!!
FN.
Lets stand up and fight for our rights... For once, and for all... It has to be done... Dixon was right with that comment. We are... And enough is enough.
To the unions, get it together will you. We only need one union, and if we were all a part of that one union, imagine the strength.
Lets stop being weak, wimpy, and manipulative. And lets stop it now!!!
FN.
No - get off your complacent arse and actually DO something rather than (as per usual) making stupid (and anonymous) snipes on PPRuNe.
Any wonder we are in such a state when this attitude prevails.
Any wonder we are in such a state when this attitude prevails.
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As for sharing accomodation, flighties of some asian airlines usually share a room, apparantly it's been the norm for quite a while
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neville, sounds like a viscous cycle really. Because what will eventually happen will be a norm where people will turn up, stuff their pockets with experience and fk off (not caring to improve the conditions as its just all too hard). Its very clear that companies that have been around for longer with less turn over have better conditions in general (Qanats BA ect and even VB if you compare to JQ pound for pound). So I think the execs have cottened on to opening new companies every 5-10 years is the way to keep the costs going down. Knowing that Shiny Jet Syndrome and highly automated aircraft will keep their dream going. Unfortunately it will take an inexpeirenced under paid crew to put something into the side of hill to convince the Australian public that a 50k pa pilot isn't a good thing.
As for putting the past behind us. Well this is the exact reason why it all keeps going down. And the reality? I can't see it changing - I can't ever see JQ and QF and VB pilots saying "enoughs enough" side by side, it will never happen. Whats more goverments are secretly (and some not secretly) happy to see wages go down no matter what side you are into.
Crew sharing rooms really takes the cake for me! What is this? An fn pijama party?
A pesimistic veiw i know but it looks like reality to me.
As for putting the past behind us. Well this is the exact reason why it all keeps going down. And the reality? I can't see it changing - I can't ever see JQ and QF and VB pilots saying "enoughs enough" side by side, it will never happen. Whats more goverments are secretly (and some not secretly) happy to see wages go down no matter what side you are into.
Crew sharing rooms really takes the cake for me! What is this? An fn pijama party?
A pesimistic veiw i know but it looks like reality to me.
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Everyone needs to back up each other and get on with it.
You guys are the Union. You Guys make up the Union. It is up to YOU.
You can make a difference. Your attitude makes a differences. You stand up and be counted.
It's up to YOU.
If you leave it to someone else, it wont happen.
Take contol of your own life and make a difference.
"You can't change the past, but, you can make a difference to the future."
You guys are the Union. You Guys make up the Union. It is up to YOU.
You can make a difference. Your attitude makes a differences. You stand up and be counted.
It's up to YOU.
If you leave it to someone else, it wont happen.
Take contol of your own life and make a difference.
"You can't change the past, but, you can make a difference to the future."
Problem is people like Hugh Mungus feel such sentiments are just "posting feel good dribble to one another". Therein lies the very attitude that condemns us. Sad I am a peer of individuals like this.
Pilots care only about themselves and in being so are too self-oriented to realise that by becoming united they have a greater chance of achieving their aims.
The older I get the harsher becomes the reality that I suspect pilots will never get their act together. Too many ego's, too little intelligence.
I can but hope but I suspect I am dreaming.
Pilots care only about themselves and in being so are too self-oriented to realise that by becoming united they have a greater chance of achieving their aims.
The older I get the harsher becomes the reality that I suspect pilots will never get their act together. Too many ego's, too little intelligence.
I can but hope but I suspect I am dreaming.
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Thats a bit rough Zed, especially when most of the so called senior ones ( and with that I mean senior by the so called seniority list only, as alot of these guys have only flown up and down the east coast of aust for the last 5 yrs or so in a jet) are ex impulse and got their first cmd by under cutting everybody else.....( qantas, national jet etc)
Funny how things change, once people get what they want...
I am not saying I agree with these f/o's going over to NZ, but I would be very careful to take it out on these guys, when alot of nopulse guys have a long record of doing it themselves...
Funny how things change, once people get what they want...
I am not saying I agree with these f/o's going over to NZ, but I would be very careful to take it out on these guys, when alot of nopulse guys have a long record of doing it themselves...
