V AUS How is it going??
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I believe BG said that it was like starting an International Airline on September 10th (2001).
To me that's like saying the conditions are to become alot worse rather than better.
I believe BG said that it was like starting an International Airline on September 10th (2001).
To me that's like saying the conditions are to become alot worse rather than better.
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Re freight, loads have been really good to the point that we have been weight res a few times, and this will happen more so with winter coming and - or MEL. Pax numbers ARE growing and for the record- both ways. Staff in general fantastic. Pay is CRAP however, esp for the 2nd Officers [RFO]
What you all seem to forget is that it was never envisaged that V Aus would be profitable inside 2 years. They have already budgeted for the losses. In that respect they are better placed than other airlines, which had not budgeted for the downturn. 50% of SFA is a lot less of a calamity than 50% of a motza.
Timing is crap for sure, but the timing was established long before the downturn was foreseen.
Fasten your seat belts, its going to be bumpy, but the turbulence will pass.
Maui
Timing is crap for sure, but the timing was established long before the downturn was foreseen.
Fasten your seat belts, its going to be bumpy, but the turbulence will pass.
Maui
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Maui,
Its in our best interest to see V survive ( I shore hope they do)
But one must wonder in this current economic climate when no one can
predict the out come whether they will be able to weather the storm,especially during start up as these operations burn some unbelievable amounts of cash.
The Dog
Its in our best interest to see V survive ( I shore hope they do)
But one must wonder in this current economic climate when no one can
predict the out come whether they will be able to weather the storm,especially during start up as these operations burn some unbelievable amounts of cash.
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Who cares what "loads" are like?
If you give away 777 rides, people will fill seats.
Asking them for enough money to prevent the continued milking of the "bread and butter company" (737) is another matter.
Anyone care to show us how many shorthaul companies have successfully started longhaul and regional flying together?
That same bloody stain on the brickwall made by the foreheads of past topheavy-airline managers is bigger and bloodier than ever but still they ignore it, continue to bash their own heads on the wall for a while and seek to save a dollar by retrenching those working hardest.
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If you give away 777 rides, people will fill seats.
Asking them for enough money to prevent the continued milking of the "bread and butter company" (737) is another matter.
Anyone care to show us how many shorthaul companies have successfully started longhaul and regional flying together?
That same bloody stain on the brickwall made by the foreheads of past topheavy-airline managers is bigger and bloodier than ever but still they ignore it, continue to bash their own heads on the wall for a while and seek to save a dollar by retrenching those working hardest.
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It would be interesting to know what VA's true cost per seat kilometre is compared to other pacific operators. At a guess, I would think a lot higher than Qantas which has the advantage of economy of scale and an established infrastructure network.
If they are throwing away seats, then full aircraft mean nothing. They would be better off stopping the operation right now and realise that the current downturn has overtaken any planning projection that was done 2 years ago.
If they are throwing away seats, then full aircraft mean nothing. They would be better off stopping the operation right now and realise that the current downturn has overtaken any planning projection that was done 2 years ago.
( double VA capt. @ 180 odd )
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Any wonder Jet* is expanding at the expence of QF, Jet* skippers probably earn less than half of a QF ones, so is for V Oz by the looks of things, way of the new world order I would say. 
Delta
From The Age newspaper (online):
Delta offers flights to US for $777
March 16, 2009 - 3:09PM
The world's largest airline has thrown down the challenge to Qantas and others by offering return trans-Pacific flights from $777.
US airline Delta announced the fare, which does not include taxes, on Monday ahead of its expected July launch on the Sydney-Los Angeles route, Travel Weekly reported. Taxes would add around $300 to the total fare.
Delta will face fierce competition from Qantas and United, along with start-up V Australia.
The airline is also offering customers the chance to fly beyond LA for an extra $200. Destinations available under the deal include Atlanta, Boise, Detroit, Indianapolis, New York, Orlando, Memphis, New Orleans, Seattle, Salt Lake City and Cincinnati.
The fresh eruption in the price war comes amidst gloomy times for aviation. New figures from the American Express Asia Pacific Business Travel Monitor show airlines are cutting prices in a bid to beat the global financial crisis. The report found Australian published fares were down three per cent in the fourth quarter of 2008.
"Airfares to the US recorded the biggest drop at five per cent compared to third quarter figures," the monitor said.
Jonas Borglin, a spokesman for American Express Business Travel, Japan, Asia Pacific and Australia said the impact of the crisis was clear.
"During the first half of 2008 the economy was strong and airlines responded with airfare increases across all classes and destinations," Mr Borglin said in a statement.
"The economic crisis forced airlines to reassess their pricing strategies in order to continue to attract passengers."
AAP
March 16, 2009 - 3:09PM
The world's largest airline has thrown down the challenge to Qantas and others by offering return trans-Pacific flights from $777.
US airline Delta announced the fare, which does not include taxes, on Monday ahead of its expected July launch on the Sydney-Los Angeles route, Travel Weekly reported. Taxes would add around $300 to the total fare.
Delta will face fierce competition from Qantas and United, along with start-up V Australia.
The airline is also offering customers the chance to fly beyond LA for an extra $200. Destinations available under the deal include Atlanta, Boise, Detroit, Indianapolis, New York, Orlando, Memphis, New Orleans, Seattle, Salt Lake City and Cincinnati.
The fresh eruption in the price war comes amidst gloomy times for aviation. New figures from the American Express Asia Pacific Business Travel Monitor show airlines are cutting prices in a bid to beat the global financial crisis. The report found Australian published fares were down three per cent in the fourth quarter of 2008.
"Airfares to the US recorded the biggest drop at five per cent compared to third quarter figures," the monitor said.
Jonas Borglin, a spokesman for American Express Business Travel, Japan, Asia Pacific and Australia said the impact of the crisis was clear.
"During the first half of 2008 the economy was strong and airlines responded with airfare increases across all classes and destinations," Mr Borglin said in a statement.
"The economic crisis forced airlines to reassess their pricing strategies in order to continue to attract passengers."
AAP
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But do QF skippers really earn $360,000
It would not represent the vast majority though I would not think.
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Hell - What gets me is that DELTA is so broke they shouldn't even be around in their present form, and the same for United. Talk about an unfair playing field.That's Chapter 11.
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RK, I can only assume you know what JQ Captains earn and who are you comparing that to?
Half of what are you talking about? A380/B744 skipper?
I'm not going to start a pissing contest here on this thread but get your facts right first.
Half of what are you talking about? A380/B744 skipper?
I'm not going to start a pissing contest here on this thread but get your facts right first.
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Apples to apples, I seriously doubt QF line drivers get 360K, especially not after the stink on PPRUNE last year defending themselves against the news article about being overpaid, I think it was circa 260K ?
Of course, Keg could wipe out all this supposition with one stroke of his keyboard.
Of course, Keg could wipe out all this supposition with one stroke of his keyboard.
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Well I did say "probably" not categorically, but I can stand to be corrected.
But your right TID, back to the topic, last report I got was a couple of days ago, that the load factor was about 85%.
Could be begginers luck, or just lies, but all I wish to say, may they live long and prosper.
But your right TID, back to the topic, last report I got was a couple of days ago, that the load factor was about 85%.
Could be begginers luck, or just lies, but all I wish to say, may they live long and prosper.
Yes, Yes....take a chill pill LR3
Its a broad generic term mate, read it in context, if you have the ability. Everyone has experienced captains and experienced FO and experienced SO and experienced engineers, etc...etc...(except you know who)
Its a broad generic term mate, read it in context, if you have the ability. Everyone has experienced captains and experienced FO and experienced SO and experienced engineers, etc...etc...
(except you know who)