Virgin Blue worth less than a B777
Most of the contributors to this thread seem to be unaware that American Airlines also operate the route (via a code share with QF) and it's their considerable marketing resources that contributes greatly to the load factors on the QF aircraft. Also Air NZ operate the route via AKL (they used to operate SYD-LAX direct but not at present) and they attract a significant number of holiday & VFR pax because of their fare discounting. When you add the new Delta operation in addition to the incumbent United Airlines, then V Oz is definitely going to struggle getting any significant yield. They may get bums on seats through heavy discounting but no airline will survive if they can't cover costs.
remember there are still a few ex Ansett ships flying about with the rat
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Curved approach you can't be serious; Virgin's normal trick, how many seats are available at this price, and how much do you figure it costs to run a B777/hr? Revenue equals $500/seat at 300 seats. $150,000. You reckon it costs $10,000/hr to run a B777. Do you work for Virgin money?
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always said virgin blue and any associated companies were "on the cheap"..... got the moet in the cupboard for when the inevitable happens... Anset all over again. ....if i was exsiting staff id be taking all yor holiday entitilements now while the money is there
Bye Bye
It looks a bit Blue at Virgin Flew
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QF A380
UA B744
Delta B777 ( Starting June / July)
I think V Australia has a uphill battle! Especially launching in the Low Season IE missing school holidays.
It is tradition that Americans like American "Things", ie they would prefer to travel on there own carriers. QF picks up alot of business as it has A1 Saftey Record.
As a Consumer, i am glad they are flying, as a Empolyee of QF, i hope V Australia goes under
Considering i was told SYD/MEL/BNE - LAX Route accounts for 20 - 30% of our total Profit.
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Delta B777 ( Starting June / July)
I think V Australia has a uphill battle! Especially launching in the Low Season IE missing school holidays.
It is tradition that Americans like American "Things", ie they would prefer to travel on there own carriers. QF picks up alot of business as it has A1 Saftey Record.
As a Consumer, i am glad they are flying, as a Empolyee of QF, i hope V Australia goes under
Considering i was told SYD/MEL/BNE - LAX Route accounts for 20 - 30% of our total Profit.
I also hate to see pilots out of work, including all those in the Virgin group.
However V Australia declared war on Qantas to start with.
Quote from news article December 17 :
Whats the idea with the red tail ? How original. Are they trying to brand themselves as a new image/alternate Qantas !!
How about all endless arrogant cheap shot remarks made by Virgin towards Qantas in their advertisements or by Branson himself.
If they are happy to declare war with Qantas in such an arrogant way, then I can understand why a Qantas employee would be more than happy to see them loose.
Isn't this what a war is about ? Remember, they started it !!
Why not work together as friendly competitors instead of declaring war with one always putting the other one down.
When did you last see a Qantas add or CEO having a cheap go at the Virgin group or making any comparison "we are better than them....blah blah" ?
Sorry Branson, but Qantas might have the last laugh, I hope they don't, but if they do, they got every right to do so I think.
However V Australia declared war on Qantas to start with.
Quote from news article December 17 :
V AUSTRALIA has fired the first shot in a new ticket war with Qantas ....
How about all endless arrogant cheap shot remarks made by Virgin towards Qantas in their advertisements or by Branson himself.
If they are happy to declare war with Qantas in such an arrogant way, then I can understand why a Qantas employee would be more than happy to see them loose.
Isn't this what a war is about ? Remember, they started it !!
Why not work together as friendly competitors instead of declaring war with one always putting the other one down.
When did you last see a Qantas add or CEO having a cheap go at the Virgin group or making any comparison "we are better than them....blah blah" ?
Sorry Branson, but Qantas might have the last laugh, I hope they don't, but if they do, they got every right to do so I think.
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One thing is definately crystal clear about V Oz - there's not a virgin in sight, cause the operation and the mother ship looked pretty f#@ked to me.
12 to 18 months max and then it'll be everyone elses fault - QF, the fed gov., the US gov, the credit crunch...etc. In my opinion VB are just a bunch of amateurs who believe the fake image they see in the mirror. But with a Grand Poobah like Branson who has thrived on such Teflon imagery, its no wonder that all VB people from him down believe the same crap.
But as a few have alluded to in this thread, even Branson's attitude to VB seems to be waning. Without the spiritual head leading the cult in trumped up self belief, its only a matter of time till a mass suicide will be planned.
PS. No EMB incident for 3 days - whats going on? Any time soon no doubt.
12 to 18 months max and then it'll be everyone elses fault - QF, the fed gov., the US gov, the credit crunch...etc. In my opinion VB are just a bunch of amateurs who believe the fake image they see in the mirror. But with a Grand Poobah like Branson who has thrived on such Teflon imagery, its no wonder that all VB people from him down believe the same crap.
But as a few have alluded to in this thread, even Branson's attitude to VB seems to be waning. Without the spiritual head leading the cult in trumped up self belief, its only a matter of time till a mass suicide will be planned.
PS. No EMB incident for 3 days - whats going on? Any time soon no doubt.
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Hi John if you believe every thing the press say woe to you.
By the way Qantas are most certainly not saints and have in the past opted quite ruthless tactics when it came to competition.
Aahh the old you started it arguement , im pretty sure this is how most wars start isn't it.
Any how chin up lest you didn't lose loved ones in the Victorian bushfires,
Big Picture People.
By the way Qantas are most certainly not saints and have in the past opted quite ruthless tactics when it came to competition.
Isn't this what a war is about ? Remember, they started it !!
Any how chin up lest you didn't lose loved ones in the Victorian bushfires,
Big Picture People.
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Branson autobiography.
If anyone would like a non sanitised branson biography read this book by Tom Bower. It is revealing. Needless to say he threatened to sue but couldn't - it was true. BTW this book costs half as much as his multiple self inflating ones.
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Just media hype mate its hardly a war. Branson drops in tries to rev up as much free pubilicity as possible and then leaves. In reality I think both QF and VB do work together on some things (spares ect).
One thing is for sure is that QF VB and the rest need to work together to get the Government to ease up on all the ridiculous fees levys and charges they have on the sector. There is a limit to cost cutting and leaning out companies.
I'd rather see both aussie companies do well than the American ones.
I don't think Virgin is a threat to the massive Qantas machine.
Yeah the colour of the tail is a poor choice i agree.
One thing is for sure is that QF VB and the rest need to work together to get the Government to ease up on all the ridiculous fees levys and charges they have on the sector. There is a limit to cost cutting and leaning out companies.
I'd rather see both aussie companies do well than the American ones.
I don't think Virgin is a threat to the massive Qantas machine.
Yeah the colour of the tail is a poor choice i agree.
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... lets not forget the continued insults about Q at their annual b'day party... infact a certain CCDM was silly enough to upload it onto youtube for all to see. What a coincidence that its since been removed, only last week though. For those who aren't sure what I'm referring to lets just say "like a virgin"
Hi John if you believe every thing the press say woe to you.....Just media hype
But how about all the Virgin group advertisements you have all seen bagging out Qantas ?
Here are some quotes from an email I recently received from "velocity rewards" titled "Have you heard from Qantas"
If you're a QANTAS Frequent Flyer you may.......
So please don't be spooked by the QANTAS.......
So please don't be spooked by the QANTAS.......
Do you ever see Coles and Woolworths bagging each other out ?
I can only believe this arrogance from the Virgin group comes through from the very top (Branson) and down. It sure fits his style.
As such Qantas got every right to have pleasure to see V-Australia go down if V-Australia / Branson / the Virgin group always want to make mockery of them. No offence to V-Australia pilots and I wish you all the best of luck.
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Lets face it - V Aust's biggest asset this week was Branson. He alone brings in 4 times the media coverage than normal. The media love him, he is a great interview........he got the best possible publicity for the airline this week.
I don't know what the future will be for V Aus - I know that if things are worse than we are being told, they won't reveal it to the public. Remember - survival of the fittest. As for the exchanges this week, it has all been V Aus taking shots at all airlines. Sometimes it is not worth getting into a pointless slanging match.
I don't know what the future will be for V Aus - I know that if things are worse than we are being told, they won't reveal it to the public. Remember - survival of the fittest. As for the exchanges this week, it has all been V Aus taking shots at all airlines. Sometimes it is not worth getting into a pointless slanging match.
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Just media hype mate its hardly a war. Branson drops in tries to rev up as much free pubilicity as possible and then leaves. In reality I think both QF and VB do work together on some things (spares ect).
The main reason he is so interested in V-OZ is the round the world airfare that he can finally offer. VB was just a vehicle to gain such approval. Now that he has that it doesn't really matter what happens to VB does it?
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Indeed, they are now - however from memory, (and only just as the years are passing quickly) - I recall that Jetconnect took two Ansett 733's, VH-CZR and VH-CZS, which were quickly renamed ZK-CZR and CZS for domestic ops in NZ. Both were temporary "fillers" at a time when Jetconnect could lease them cheaply from either AN direct or the aircraft's lessors. Both departed within a year or two of the collapse. A similar deal was done with VH-CZQ, which went to DJ in the same rego.
QF mainline also wet-leased VH-BZI (new 763 delivery to AN) which arrived just after ops ceased. Operated with an AWAS crew and left within a few months.
Anyway - back to topic
I thought all the 300/400's were from TAA?
QF mainline also wet-leased VH-BZI (new 763 delivery to AN) which arrived just after ops ceased. Operated with an AWAS crew and left within a few months.
Anyway - back to topic