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can pay the bills now
Yes my account shows that i have been paid too,but the fight still goes on for justice.The meeting tomorrow will speak volumes and i still think there be a lot more looking for jobs very soon
Frontalobe, yes, another instalment did go in last night. So now my pay is only 10 days in arrears, plus some leave owing and pay in lieu of notice. It does seem that an effort is being made, but I will reserve judgement until 3rd March when the first of the actual redundancy payments is due.
The real worry has to be that the current redundancy liability must be close to a million bucks and if they lay off more staff tomorrow it will only get worse.
The real worry has to be that the current redundancy liability must be close to a million bucks and if they lay off more staff tomorrow it will only get worse.
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history shows that good ideas were always laughed at
the same people have plans or are already building hotels and resorts in Solomons, Timor-Leste ,Cocos ,Christmas and other virgin (untouched) pacific destinations to promote tourism,and thus create viable airline routes.
remember the Grumman Geese fleet,its still there as well as the 208s,
the 190s are the perfect machine to open up those routes,
as the same people have very deep experience in military logistics,they are vying on any big airlift contract currently on tender.
who would think that an australian company could get a danish nato airlift
contract to Kabul.
that shows the experience and know how of the sky management.
remember for every failure there are always a few acheivements.
if we recall sky was going for Brisbane New York non-stop using 340-500,
but the idea was put into the drawers because of non availability of second hand lease aircraft at that time.
then they did bid for the aus gov Middle east tender,but it stayed with the
current flier.
there are lots of viable business plans out there,if you think out of the box.
the same people have plans or are already building hotels and resorts in Solomons, Timor-Leste ,Cocos ,Christmas and other virgin (untouched) pacific destinations to promote tourism,and thus create viable airline routes.
remember the Grumman Geese fleet,its still there as well as the 208s,
the 190s are the perfect machine to open up those routes,
as the same people have very deep experience in military logistics,they are vying on any big airlift contract currently on tender.
who would think that an australian company could get a danish nato airlift
contract to Kabul.
that shows the experience and know how of the sky management.
remember for every failure there are always a few acheivements.
if we recall sky was going for Brisbane New York non-stop using 340-500,
but the idea was put into the drawers because of non availability of second hand lease aircraft at that time.
then they did bid for the aus gov Middle east tender,but it stayed with the
current flier.
there are lots of viable business plans out there,if you think out of the box.
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Horse and cart
"the same people have plans or are already building hotels and resorts in Solomons, Timor-Leste ,Cocos ,Christmas and other virgin (untouched) pacific destinations to promote tourism,and thus create viable airline routes."
Build them and they will come........that is if they can find an aircraft to get them there.
Build them and they will come........that is if they can find an aircraft to get them there.
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employees think individualy/locally,
managers think of the big picture/globally,
there are ACMI leasing companies knocking on doors to get rid
of their surplus deliveries,
ILFC,
SALE,
AWAS,
Boeing,
Airbus,
Capitol,
etc.....
A 319/318
B 737-600/700
CRJ 900/1000
ERJ 175/195
and there are thosands in Arizona,
you just need brains.
and pacific goverments are ready to subsidies an idea of a national carrier.
managers think of the big picture/globally,
there are ACMI leasing companies knocking on doors to get rid
of their surplus deliveries,
ILFC,
SALE,
AWAS,
Boeing,
Airbus,
Capitol,
etc.....
A 319/318
B 737-600/700
CRJ 900/1000
ERJ 175/195
and there are thosands in Arizona,
you just need brains.
and pacific goverments are ready to subsidies an idea of a national carrier.
I would say someone has probably accessed rup's account. He probably had 'remember me' set and has been made redundant and now some delusional **** manager is using that pc.
- something the current skyair management have demonstrated a lack of in spades.
you just need brains
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history shows that good ideas were always laughed at
You may want to re-visit your quote there, good ideas in history aren't ALWAYS laughed at. Perhaps at SAW that may seem to be the case but I think it is outrageous to claim what you have above. In any case you would have to be referring to ideas that were in the end achievable, for example Man walking on the moon or the motor vehicle.
the same people have plans or are already building hotels and resorts in Solomons, Timor-Leste ,Cocos ,Christmas and other virgin (untouched) pacific destinations to promote tourism,and thus create viable airline routes.
Both yourself nor "these people" have clearly not visited these locations, if you or they had it would be clear that if this was to EVER occur it certainly wont be happening anytime soon.
Here is a couple of reasons - looks like you need them;
In any case what timeframe are we talking to plan, develop, build and then profit from these said routes? When answering this please remember that SAW is in a "Short term Pause" and any recovery has a finite timeframe.
remember the Grumman Geese fleet,its still there as well as the 208s,
Both Aircraft have a purpose and no real competition - the same cannot be said for SAW.
the 190s are the perfect machine to open up those routes,
Are they? How so? It may be your opinion however it is clear you are biased and are not aware of the capabilities of other available aircraft.
The destinations you are talking about include large overwater sectors with limited diversion options. We have all witnessed the "success" of the 170 & 190 payload carriage and operational capability (AOG) in the Islands and Honiara in particular. Whilst the EMB-170 & 190 is doubtless a reasonable aeroplane for what it was designed for you cannot escape the fact that it was intended as short sector regional jet.
The facts are that the aircraft cannot carry full fuel and anywhere near full payload similtaneously, something that is critical in the Islands, to not only carry a payload that is cash positive and have SUITABLE diversion options. This aircraft is also not well known to pilots nor engineers so any issues far from can escalate dramatically.
as the same people have very deep experience in military logistics,they are vying on any big airlift contract currently on tender.
So are all and sundry, tendering does not mean that a contract is assured, it merely means you have a chance with all the others contenders. You still need to have the best solution to be awarded the work, something that SAW has not had a track record of achieving.
who would think that an australian company could get a danish nato airlift
contract to Kabul.
Well you haven't, it has yet to be awarded. See above re tender process.
that shows the experience and know how of the sky management.
The same know how and experience that has landed them in a "short term pause" with unpaid creditors and no profitable work??
remember for every failure there are always a few acheivements.
I think you have this around the wrong way, I believe it should say for every success there are some failures. Yes this may be the case but SAW have not learnt from there mistakes, it has always been passed off as a "Learning Curve" this has instilled no accountability and mistakes continue to be made in every facet of the business from the top down. It is reasonably important that if you are to follow the above quoted principle you place some emphasis on learning from your mistakes.
if we recall sky was going for Brisbane New York non-stop using 340-500,
but the idea was put into the drawers because of non availability of second hand lease aircraft at that time.
I don't recall however if you really believe that this would have been a success and the only reason it didn't "fly" was the non-availability of an aircraft then I think I have a time machine I can sell you at a very reasonable price
. I don't think that I need to explain the reasons o here that this was/is a ridiculous idea. 
then they did bid for the aus gov Middle east tender,but it stayed with the
current flier.
For good reason - a proven track record and and existing infrastructure.
Also please see my comments above re Tendering.
By the way, SAW are not on the ADF tender list are they?
there are lots of viable business plans out there,if you think out of the box.
Well these days you need to, however an RPT service to Bougainville is not the answer. Nor is a non-stop flight to JFK with a single aircraft operator and no feeder network or DECENT loyalty programs (Chook raffles on board DO NOT COUNT).
Realistically there is one golden rule in aviation that has been ignored by SAW management and the staff that fallen under the spell of the propaganda that has shovelled all over them. EVERYTHING MUST BE PAID FOR - NOTHING IS FREE. Ie Capital cost of your equipment must be applied to the service and charged accordingly. Brand new equipment brings with it very high costs and these MUST be paid for, ultimately competing against other aircraft with largely similar performance characteristics and much much lower capital cost it is very difficult to cover the costs of the operation when charged at a competive price. This is probably why no other "Charter" operator I am aware of operates brand new equipment.
Honestly RUP I still hope you are having a laugh, as surely your post/posts would compete for the most outrageous PPRUNE posts of all time.
You may want to re-visit your quote there, good ideas in history aren't ALWAYS laughed at. Perhaps at SAW that may seem to be the case but I think it is outrageous to claim what you have above. In any case you would have to be referring to ideas that were in the end achievable, for example Man walking on the moon or the motor vehicle.
the same people have plans or are already building hotels and resorts in Solomons, Timor-Leste ,Cocos ,Christmas and other virgin (untouched) pacific destinations to promote tourism,and thus create viable airline routes.
Both yourself nor "these people" have clearly not visited these locations, if you or they had it would be clear that if this was to EVER occur it certainly wont be happening anytime soon.
Here is a couple of reasons - looks like you need them;
- Solomons - has been in Civil Unrest for as long as anyone can remember and the country is broke, all the resorts in the outer Islands were burnt down and destroyed in the uprising around 1999. What makes you think that you are immune from the same treatment?
- Timor - Again Civil Unrest for as long as anyone can remember. Minor details for example recent riots, a very recent assassination attempt, a resident foreign peacekeeping force, absolutley not a thing to see or do and a very real chance of being medevac'd out would most likely hamper any push as a "Honeymoon" destination. Perhaps it should be pushed more as a destination for survivalists.
- "Other Virgin Pacific Destinations" - So "these" people have the funds available to build and operate a resort, an international airport and all the other associated REQUIRED infrastructure to support a startup international Tourist mecca on spec?
- Cocos and Christmas - Well again aside from the airport there is no resort nor any real reason volumes of tourists would want to visit.
In any case what timeframe are we talking to plan, develop, build and then profit from these said routes? When answering this please remember that SAW is in a "Short term Pause" and any recovery has a finite timeframe.
remember the Grumman Geese fleet,its still there as well as the 208s,
Both Aircraft have a purpose and no real competition - the same cannot be said for SAW.
the 190s are the perfect machine to open up those routes,
Are they? How so? It may be your opinion however it is clear you are biased and are not aware of the capabilities of other available aircraft.
The destinations you are talking about include large overwater sectors with limited diversion options. We have all witnessed the "success" of the 170 & 190 payload carriage and operational capability (AOG) in the Islands and Honiara in particular. Whilst the EMB-170 & 190 is doubtless a reasonable aeroplane for what it was designed for you cannot escape the fact that it was intended as short sector regional jet.
The facts are that the aircraft cannot carry full fuel and anywhere near full payload similtaneously, something that is critical in the Islands, to not only carry a payload that is cash positive and have SUITABLE diversion options. This aircraft is also not well known to pilots nor engineers so any issues far from can escalate dramatically.
as the same people have very deep experience in military logistics,they are vying on any big airlift contract currently on tender.
So are all and sundry, tendering does not mean that a contract is assured, it merely means you have a chance with all the others contenders. You still need to have the best solution to be awarded the work, something that SAW has not had a track record of achieving.
who would think that an australian company could get a danish nato airlift
contract to Kabul.
Well you haven't, it has yet to be awarded. See above re tender process.
that shows the experience and know how of the sky management.
The same know how and experience that has landed them in a "short term pause" with unpaid creditors and no profitable work??
remember for every failure there are always a few acheivements.
I think you have this around the wrong way, I believe it should say for every success there are some failures. Yes this may be the case but SAW have not learnt from there mistakes, it has always been passed off as a "Learning Curve" this has instilled no accountability and mistakes continue to be made in every facet of the business from the top down. It is reasonably important that if you are to follow the above quoted principle you place some emphasis on learning from your mistakes.
if we recall sky was going for Brisbane New York non-stop using 340-500,
but the idea was put into the drawers because of non availability of second hand lease aircraft at that time.
I don't recall however if you really believe that this would have been a success and the only reason it didn't "fly" was the non-availability of an aircraft then I think I have a time machine I can sell you at a very reasonable price
. I don't think that I need to explain the reasons o here that this was/is a ridiculous idea. then they did bid for the aus gov Middle east tender,but it stayed with the
current flier.
For good reason - a proven track record and and existing infrastructure.
Also please see my comments above re Tendering.
By the way, SAW are not on the ADF tender list are they?
there are lots of viable business plans out there,if you think out of the box.
Well these days you need to, however an RPT service to Bougainville is not the answer. Nor is a non-stop flight to JFK with a single aircraft operator and no feeder network or DECENT loyalty programs (Chook raffles on board DO NOT COUNT).
Realistically there is one golden rule in aviation that has been ignored by SAW management and the staff that fallen under the spell of the propaganda that has shovelled all over them. EVERYTHING MUST BE PAID FOR - NOTHING IS FREE. Ie Capital cost of your equipment must be applied to the service and charged accordingly. Brand new equipment brings with it very high costs and these MUST be paid for, ultimately competing against other aircraft with largely similar performance characteristics and much much lower capital cost it is very difficult to cover the costs of the operation when charged at a competive price. This is probably why no other "Charter" operator I am aware of operates brand new equipment.
Honestly RUP I still hope you are having a laugh, as surely your post/posts would compete for the most outrageous PPRUNE posts of all time.
This delusional person sounds very much like the one who wrote the business plan for the original Ozjet. The same one who really believes that airlines should own resorts in tribal war zones. Also selling the idea that Pacific governments will subsidise anything? John Frum, eat your heart out.
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this recession is just another spike in the world of aviation which has gone through simillar ones every 4-5 yrs.
we will all be back soon in same growth we had during last few years.
jobs which are lost today will be gained back to morrow and we will forget about today,busy flying,fixing,working or managing all aspect of aviation.
aviation entrepreneurs and leaders will as usual investing in aviation industries
and airline business creating thousands of jobs,
Everyone should work hard and contribute toward making australia a global aviation leader.
Ok times are a bit tough these days,but then everyone is doing tough.
Sky will one day be a world airline growing so much that overseas manpower would be needed to satisfy its expanding markets far away as USA,UK,China,India,Brazil,Russia etc just to name a few.
The secret is direct city pairs thin ultra long range.think 787-10
and operating cost lower than Air As*a X.
Aus is home to 160 nationalities.
They all have to visit their homelands once a year.
think about this future mass travel.
we will all be back soon in same growth we had during last few years.
jobs which are lost today will be gained back to morrow and we will forget about today,busy flying,fixing,working or managing all aspect of aviation.
aviation entrepreneurs and leaders will as usual investing in aviation industries
and airline business creating thousands of jobs,
Everyone should work hard and contribute toward making australia a global aviation leader.
Ok times are a bit tough these days,but then everyone is doing tough.
Sky will one day be a world airline growing so much that overseas manpower would be needed to satisfy its expanding markets far away as USA,UK,China,India,Brazil,Russia etc just to name a few.
The secret is direct city pairs thin ultra long range.think 787-10
and operating cost lower than Air As*a X.
Aus is home to 160 nationalities.
They all have to visit their homelands once a year.
think about this future mass travel.
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pls read my previous post,
Cocos and Christmas are going ahead,in fact very soon daily as this is a market yet to be fully exploited.
as well as Dilli/Denpasar and many more.
the 170 is being returned and taken delivery of newer 190s and may be other types like A 318 or 737-600 to meet traffic growth.
options will be taken on the Bombardier CS,as studies go ahead.
all projects will be ACMI,so no worries of engineering , tech crew etc....
there are many maint organisations locally ready to support us for aoc requirements.
those thinking that this is dreaming,well if it was not for these bad times,sky
would have been a major player in the asia pacific.
but the growth and expansion will happen as things get better.
and jobs will be created.
Cocos and Christmas are going ahead,in fact very soon daily as this is a market yet to be fully exploited.
as well as Dilli/Denpasar and many more.
the 170 is being returned and taken delivery of newer 190s and may be other types like A 318 or 737-600 to meet traffic growth.
options will be taken on the Bombardier CS,as studies go ahead.
all projects will be ACMI,so no worries of engineering , tech crew etc....
there are many maint organisations locally ready to support us for aoc requirements.
those thinking that this is dreaming,well if it was not for these bad times,sky
would have been a major player in the asia pacific.
but the growth and expansion will happen as things get better.
and jobs will be created.
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A318s and 737-600s are planes that are guaranteed to make losses for any airline that uses them. The same operating costs as A319s or 737-700s but with twenty fewer seats. Do you wonder why so many CRJ-100s/200s and E-145 are sitting in the desert?