Hey QF 737 pilots - You've left your ice lights on...
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Originally Posted by Keg
apache, on behalf of the QF drivers let me apologise. Poor form by our guys. Got a date and a call sign and I can even let them know personally.
Sadly Dunnunda has become a place where so many are so quick to cast aspersions. Just look at the Sunnies' DH8 thread. I'll bet none of the critics know what happened, yet most of the responses are critical of the crew for an as yet, unknown problem.
When I was a youngster, Aussies were known for giving a bloke a go. Not any more.....
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Im with Capt C on this one. Wait till you are unfortunate to have an incident and see who your freinds are here on the forum pages!!! On a engine shut down a few years ago, even the stuff i read about me was pretty hard to swallow.
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Oh please Tempo, A/B4, you're talking this far too seriously. I'd much prefer a colleague give me a quick call with some feedback and an observation- even if second hand- than have them call my fleet manager. 
If we're at the stage where all feedback must go via the fleet manager then we've seriously lost the plot. Perhaps I just have a different view of feedback than do others. 
Personally I don't see feedback direct from colleagues as something to be threatened by and nor do I see by giving it that I'm automatically 'right' and the other is 'wrong'. It is what it is. Take it or leave it. An opportunity for introspection
Perhaps I'm over reacting to what you guys said on this thread but I can hardly see the crew of a DJ flight going to print about QFXYZ burning their eyeballs, having that go through the DJ system, through to the QF system and down again from the fleet manager. Personally I'd much prefer it if a DJ guy knew a QF guy and the QF guy called me direct with some feedback. I could take that or leave it and perhaps it creates an opportunity for a little self-reflection.
Clarrie. No tongue in cheek. I'm always happy to accept some feedback and if I can pass some along informally then so much the better.
Anyway, it appears I'm the loner on this issue so I'll get back into my box.
If we're at the stage where all feedback must go via the fleet manager then we've seriously lost the plot. Perhaps I just have a different view of feedback than do others. Personally I don't see feedback direct from colleagues as something to be threatened by and nor do I see by giving it that I'm automatically 'right' and the other is 'wrong'. It is what it is. Take it or leave it. An opportunity for introspectionPerhaps I'm over reacting to what you guys said on this thread but I can hardly see the crew of a DJ flight going to print about QFXYZ burning their eyeballs, having that go through the DJ system, through to the QF system and down again from the fleet manager. Personally I'd much prefer it if a DJ guy knew a QF guy and the QF guy called me direct with some feedback. I could take that or leave it and perhaps it creates an opportunity for a little self-reflection.
Clarrie. No tongue in cheek. I'm always happy to accept some feedback and if I can pass some along informally then so much the better.
Anyway, it appears I'm the loner on this issue so I'll get back into my box.
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I thought your offer was quite genuine and reasonable. What ever happened to just helping out and doing the right thing by others .
Probably the precious types with not just chips on shoulders but a whole sawmill....
J
.Probably the precious types with not just chips on shoulders but a whole sawmill....
J
G'Day Keg, got a question for ya.
Is there a company speed limit on the 767 whilst taxying? FOQA or SOP? Reason I ask is we do in the 320, and we were doing it, and a 76 was dragging us on the parallel, came from behind and over took us in a jiffy to get to the holding point before us, then we got the 2 minutes..
Anyway, we didn't mind, we were pissing ourselves immensely...made the two minutes go quickly.
Is there a company speed limit on the 767 whilst taxying? FOQA or SOP? Reason I ask is we do in the 320, and we were doing it, and a 76 was dragging us on the parallel, came from behind and over took us in a jiffy to get to the holding point before us, then we got the 2 minutes..
Anyway, we didn't mind, we were pissing ourselves immensely...made the two minutes go quickly.
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Try being an engineering and arriving an A/C at night with taxi lights in face at point blank. All you can do is look away, who knows where the aircraft ends up! Been happening for years accidentally, just human error. Harden up!
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Keg
Is my interpretation correct. Following an informal, anonymous, unsubstantiated, possibly vexatious and largely trivial complaint aired on PPrune of all places. You would feel it appropriate to call crewing with the date and flight number, ascertain the name of the captain then proceed to call them and lecture on landing, taxi and /or wing light management???
Would you tell said captain the complaint came from PPrune???
Really???
It is indeed time for drinking!
Is my interpretation correct. Following an informal, anonymous, unsubstantiated, possibly vexatious and largely trivial complaint aired on PPrune of all places. You would feel it appropriate to call crewing with the date and flight number, ascertain the name of the captain then proceed to call them and lecture on landing, taxi and /or wing light management???
Would you tell said captain the complaint came from PPrune???
Really???
It is indeed time for drinking!
Last edited by Iron Bar; 17th Feb 2009 at 07:19. Reason: vexing spelling
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Iron Bar,
No, your interpretation is not correct. The following may example some of it. My methodologies are my own.
It would be informal, it wouldn't be anonymous, I would always point out it was one side of the story, it may be vexatious but I'd have the complainant's name and phone number. It may or may not be trivial. I wouldn't bother calling crewing- mainly because I don't need to- and depending on the circumstances I may or may not file it away and discuss it next time I see the people or I may give them a call.
If I'd stuffed up and someone happened to pass it along to one of my colleagues I'd hope they'd give me a call too.
Is my interpretation correct.(sic)
Following an informal, anonymous, unsubstantiated, possibly vexatious and largely trivial complaint.....
If I'd stuffed up and someone happened to pass it along to one of my colleagues I'd hope they'd give me a call too.
Capt C, I guess that answers your question. Keg was not speaking tongue in cheek. He would seriously ring someone up! Our self anointed "cop" would take it upon himself to ring fellow crew to advise them of lights protocol!
I think most would tell him where to go if the phone call came!
I think most would tell him where to go if the phone call came!
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Autobrakes4, it's just a tad malicious to dress this up as something it's not. The term 'cop' isn't an appropriate one given that there is no ticket writing and cops tend not to pull people over to provide feedback on the manner in which they've been driving on the road. So with you having used a seriously ordinary analogy that doesn't describe accurately the intent of my comments is there anything else you'd like to distort?
Some people sure are touchy about getting feedback from others.
Some people sure are touchy about getting feedback from others.
Whatever Keg. I just don't understand what gives you the right to ring people up personally and talk to them about what they did or didn't do with their lights on a particular sector. If your not happy about it, fill out a FCR, and the managers can sort it out.
I know what most people would say if you rang them at home on a day off to comment about their use of lights!
I know what most people would say if you rang them at home on a day off to comment about their use of lights!
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More distortions or just too keen to sink the boot in?
Others kicked off with the phone call business. My original comments were that I'd 'let them know personally'. Quite a big difference and much of it depends on the type of relationship I have with the individual.
Another example. I heard some great feedback about one of our Senior Checks a while back. Next time I caught up with him I passed it on. Didn't call him, just gave him some information that he may not have been aware of. There were a couple of points for him to consider- and I didn't know if they were true or not given that I wasn't in the sim- but I passed them on for him to take or leave as he saw fit. I suppose what I should have done is encouraged the individual member to fill out a FCR so that the managers could handle it.
It's a shame that you feel we can't actually pass on/ give each other a quick call with some feedback.
Anyway, my point is made, your point is made. We'll agree to disagree. My shout next time we do beers but you'll have to tell me who you are first! (I can see it now. With that offer on the table there will be no less than 732 pilots all claiming to be Autobrakes4 so that I can shout!)
...to ring people up personally...
Another example. I heard some great feedback about one of our Senior Checks a while back. Next time I caught up with him I passed it on. Didn't call him, just gave him some information that he may not have been aware of. There were a couple of points for him to consider- and I didn't know if they were true or not given that I wasn't in the sim- but I passed them on for him to take or leave as he saw fit. I suppose what I should have done is encouraged the individual member to fill out a FCR so that the managers could handle it.
It's a shame that you feel we can't actually pass on/ give each other a quick call with some feedback.
Anyway, my point is made, your point is made. We'll agree to disagree. My shout next time we do beers but you'll have to tell me who you are first!
(I can see it now. With that offer on the table there will be no less than 732 pilots all claiming to be Autobrakes4 so that I can shout!)
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