REX EBA to be put to vote: no back pay
SIUYA, I'm not a REX pilot. Not even a commercial pilot actually, but I am planning on making a career out of aviation now I can actually afford to pay for my training.
That being said, I'm doing it because I want to, because I love flying. Many others don't but they see aviation as a career in some dreamy way, "An Airline Pilot?, oh, you must be well off then..."
Nothing could be further from the truth, particularly when I'm earning more than a lot of Captains in the regional's now, and I'm not even qualified in my trade (train driving)...Same goes for a hell of a lot of other's too, but that leads to the people who only see it as a job...
Who in their right mind is going to pay 40, 50 60 or even 70,000 for a licence and some ratings and then be shat on for god knows how many years, trying to pay a loan back in many cases, when there is bugger all reward at the end of it? A few ideological idiots like me, but that's going to be about it soon. People aren't going to tolerate the pay and conditions in GA for too long, then again at a regional in the hope they'll get a start with Qantas 10 years down the track...Why shouldn't the REX guys hit up the company for some decent reward, especially as the company, from all reports, is doing fairly well, recession notwithstanding?
It isn't about backpay, it is about Pilots (both airline and GA) being paid what they are actually worth. Not necessarily more, but as has been said, a fair days pay for a fair days work. It's even enshrined in our national anthem... And again, as had been said previously, if Rex doesn't pay it, then people will leave for those that do...
That being said, I'm doing it because I want to, because I love flying. Many others don't but they see aviation as a career in some dreamy way, "An Airline Pilot?, oh, you must be well off then..."
Nothing could be further from the truth, particularly when I'm earning more than a lot of Captains in the regional's now, and I'm not even qualified in my trade (train driving)...Same goes for a hell of a lot of other's too, but that leads to the people who only see it as a job...
Who in their right mind is going to pay 40, 50 60 or even 70,000 for a licence and some ratings and then be shat on for god knows how many years, trying to pay a loan back in many cases, when there is bugger all reward at the end of it? A few ideological idiots like me, but that's going to be about it soon. People aren't going to tolerate the pay and conditions in GA for too long, then again at a regional in the hope they'll get a start with Qantas 10 years down the track...Why shouldn't the REX guys hit up the company for some decent reward, especially as the company, from all reports, is doing fairly well, recession notwithstanding?
It isn't about backpay, it is about Pilots (both airline and GA) being paid what they are actually worth. Not necessarily more, but as has been said, a fair days pay for a fair days work. It's even enshrined in our national anthem... And again, as had been said previously, if Rex doesn't pay it, then people will leave for those that do...
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Nobody really has a good reason to vote YES.
Guys who want to stay... you have something worth fighting for.
Guys who will go at the first opportunity... you have nothing to lose.
Dont believe that spin-doctor c
p about our EBA dragging the company down. The EXISTING EBA is dragging the company down if anything, it certainly did the shareprice, staff & market goodwill, network... etc
And his little spin in FF about laying off flightcrew. Well you're still pumping guys through ground schools arent you, and still cancelling (profitable) flights due no Captain arent you. Thats just a shot across the bow to make the weaker ones think they'll be out of a job if we dont all be good boys & girls and cop what we're offered and be thankful for it.
And to say "well its better than nothing" well maybe you are right. But that also applies to the sweatshop worker on 5c/day.
Generation Y pilots (there's more of them around in rex thanks to the shortage) also need to think about their next few decades in flying as a career and be involved in EBA's, AFAP etc instead of waiting for it to be done for you by increasingly tired boomers & X'ers. Infact you could apply an often used quote to describe Gen Y... "I want it (a better EBA) and I want it NOW"
Vote no. Vote no. Vote no
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Guys who want to stay... you have something worth fighting for.
Guys who will go at the first opportunity... you have nothing to lose.
Dont believe that spin-doctor c
p about our EBA dragging the company down. The EXISTING EBA is dragging the company down if anything, it certainly did the shareprice, staff & market goodwill, network... etcAnd his little spin in FF about laying off flightcrew. Well you're still pumping guys through ground schools arent you, and still cancelling (profitable) flights due no Captain arent you. Thats just a shot across the bow to make the weaker ones think they'll be out of a job if we dont all be good boys & girls and cop what we're offered and be thankful for it.
And to say "well its better than nothing" well maybe you are right. But that also applies to the sweatshop worker on 5c/day.
Generation Y pilots (there's more of them around in rex thanks to the shortage) also need to think about their next few decades in flying as a career and be involved in EBA's, AFAP etc instead of waiting for it to be done for you by increasingly tired boomers & X'ers. Infact you could apply an often used quote to describe Gen Y... "I want it (a better EBA) and I want it NOW"
Vote no. Vote no. Vote no
TC
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Reality bites
The reality of the current economic times is that it allows the unscrupulous to prosper on the backs of the employees of an organisation, much like John Howard using the terrorist threat to justify wastage on airline security, when all we have to worry about are drunks and druggies.
A profitable airline like REX should be able to reward those who have had a hand in achieving a good result, just as Virgin has had to tighten it's belt in the face of a poor one (share price 24.5c, as opposed to REX with a share price of 90c). The singaporean model is one that relegates personnel to the same level as an inanimate asset, more of a time wasting nuisance in many cases, but if you look around at the other singaporean dominated industries, the same situation is evident. The only saving grace is the astute financial planning that make these businesses successful.
If you want to be employed in a business that is inclusive in it's management, then steer clear of the above model, and jump ship, otherwise be prepared to fight for reasonable conditions, but also be mindful of the company's financial standing when negotiating a fair (to all parties) EBA. Companies actually made profits during the last recessions, there is no reason why REX can't do the same, but it may take a bit of inclusiveness - don't hold your breath ! Ultimately, it won't be a salary increase that drives an airline under! Nuf said.....
A profitable airline like REX should be able to reward those who have had a hand in achieving a good result, just as Virgin has had to tighten it's belt in the face of a poor one (share price 24.5c, as opposed to REX with a share price of 90c). The singaporean model is one that relegates personnel to the same level as an inanimate asset, more of a time wasting nuisance in many cases, but if you look around at the other singaporean dominated industries, the same situation is evident. The only saving grace is the astute financial planning that make these businesses successful.
If you want to be employed in a business that is inclusive in it's management, then steer clear of the above model, and jump ship, otherwise be prepared to fight for reasonable conditions, but also be mindful of the company's financial standing when negotiating a fair (to all parties) EBA. Companies actually made profits during the last recessions, there is no reason why REX can't do the same, but it may take a bit of inclusiveness - don't hold your breath ! Ultimately, it won't be a salary increase that drives an airline under! Nuf said.....
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Rex half year profit results ae in the link.
Seems that they are still makiing more money than ever, but WON'T reward anyone who isn't "management"
http://http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/...kx9ztf33sq.pdf
decide for yourself!
Seems that they are still makiing more money than ever, but WON'T reward anyone who isn't "management"
http://http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/...kx9ztf33sq.pdf
decide for yourself!
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The weakest links in this vote will be.....
Check and Trainers..... most won't care about the EBA now as they have their pay rise......AND
Cadets/Newest recruits.
To all these people out there reading this thread, please think about the rest of us and hard we have been working and what we stand to NOT get, should you vote yes.
It is quite clear what we all need to do... VOTE NO!
This is again a scare tactic, they will always come up with an excuse as to why they can't pay us more......lets keep saying no until we get what we want. 3% or 5% is NOT it.!!!!
Check and Trainers..... most won't care about the EBA now as they have their pay rise......AND
Cadets/Newest recruits.
To all these people out there reading this thread, please think about the rest of us and hard we have been working and what we stand to NOT get, should you vote yes.
It is quite clear what we all need to do... VOTE NO!
This is again a scare tactic, they will always come up with an excuse as to why they can't pay us more......lets keep saying no until we get what we want. 3% or 5% is NOT it.!!!!
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As I understand the C&T allowance has only been temporarly agreed to by the PC and management, and not put to a vote yet by the pilot group to stop them leaving and will be incorperated into the next EBA only if the pilot group agrees they are getting correct money or not enough in a vote with the EBA. So the C&T are still on side.
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Look at the facts
Every night I think long and hard about about which way to vote in these tough economic times with many jobs in our industry hanging in the balance.
Sometimes I convince myself to vote 'YES' to just get some sort of pay rise now in these hard economic times rather than fighting The Company with Protected Industrial Action.
THEN I LOOK AT THE FACTS:
This is a company
which "has invested approximately $6M to date into the Pilot Academy and the Rex Pilot Cadetship Scheme." Who knows how much more will be spent to build "a state-of-the-art Training Centre on the land as well as accommodation, administration and recreational facilities" at the hangar and 2.4 hectares of land purchased at Wagga Wagga Airport for $1.55M.
This is a company which in the half year ended 31 December 2008 has made a profit of $10.52M after tax up $185,000 from the half year ending 31 December 2007 even with the huge expenditure on paying out leases and AAPA.
This is a company which even with further exditure on the AAPA Wagga Wagga still forecasts a Profit After Tax for the current financial year equal to last years of $24.3M.
So easy to convince yourself to vote 'NO'!!!
All quotes and figures taken from Half Year Results For FY08/09 and Appendix 4D and Media Release dated 18 February 2009 "Rex to Construct Pilot Academy at Wagga Wagga
Sometimes I convince myself to vote 'YES' to just get some sort of pay rise now in these hard economic times rather than fighting The Company with Protected Industrial Action.
THEN I LOOK AT THE FACTS:
This is a company
which "has invested approximately $6M to date into the Pilot Academy and the Rex Pilot Cadetship Scheme." Who knows how much more will be spent to build "a state-of-the-art Training Centre on the land as well as accommodation, administration and recreational facilities" at the hangar and 2.4 hectares of land purchased at Wagga Wagga Airport for $1.55M.This is a company
which in the half year ended 31 December 2008 has made a profit of $10.52M after tax up $185,000 from the half year ending 31 December 2007 even with the huge expenditure on paying out leases and AAPA.This is a company
which even with further exditure on the AAPA Wagga Wagga still forecasts a Profit After Tax for the current financial year equal to last years of $24.3M.So easy to convince yourself to vote 'NO'!!!
All quotes and figures taken from Half Year Results For FY08/09 and Appendix 4D and Media Release dated 18 February 2009 "Rex to Construct Pilot Academy at Wagga Wagga
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Aerocom,
I think you are a little misconceived; the C&T (not all of them I know, but most) want to get this EBA pushed through in whatever form so their C&T conditions are put in concrete before The Company reduces them too!
I hope I am wrong with that statement but sadly its how I see it.
EDIT: P.s. I/we shouldn't distance the C&T's and the rest of the pilot body. The most important thing if we end up pursueing Protected Industrial Action is that we stick together as a pilot group and push for a fair EBA outcome for both us and also The Company.
will be incorperated into the next EBA only if the pilot group agrees they are getting correct money or not enough in a vote with the EBA. So the C&T are still on side.
I hope I am wrong with that statement but sadly its how I see it.
EDIT: P.s. I/we shouldn't distance the C&T's and the rest of the pilot body. The most important thing if we end up pursueing Protected Industrial Action is that we stick together as a pilot group and push for a fair EBA outcome for both us and also The Company.
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NO.
And if you think your love of flying is more than enough, you are a fool.
Even the youngest Rex pilots will one day have a family to feed. Think about that cadets... will you be able to explain to your child why you can't buy them something they want, send them to a reasonable school or feed them nothing more than home brand 2 minute noodles around the dinner table (which would be more of an upside down cardboard box than a wooden table if LKH had his way).
You aren't just voting about a bit of money while you learn to fly the SAAB, you are setting the scene for your entire financial future in aviation.
And if you think your love of flying is more than enough, you are a fool.
Even the youngest Rex pilots will one day have a family to feed. Think about that cadets... will you be able to explain to your child why you can't buy them something they want, send them to a reasonable school or feed them nothing more than home brand 2 minute noodles around the dinner table (which would be more of an upside down cardboard box than a wooden table if LKH had his way).
You aren't just voting about a bit of money while you learn to fly the SAAB, you are setting the scene for your entire financial future in aviation.
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Pay rise for REX Wagga staff
I recently heard that the REX staff at Wagga are going to get or have been approved already a 20% pay rise, has anyone else heard the same? Obviously its not for pilots as there is only engineers and admin staff at that base but even still. Hopefully this is not another rumour and that the pilots will be notified of a suprise, but somehow I think its more rumours, we shall see.
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Also heard if this 'new' eba is not voted in,
the monetary advances already enriching out c&t staff may be retracted,
and even possibly need to be repaid.
That will lead to a fair and un bias eba vote ------NOT
the monetary advances already enriching out c&t staff may be retracted,
and even possibly need to be repaid.
That will lead to a fair and un bias eba vote ------NOT
I reakon LKH is a 'businessman' up there with dixon. The vote goes out, the pilots vote No, Rex Media department goes to the nations media about the 'greedy' pilots in this 'economic' crisis rejecting 'good' pay offers and gets the public right behind it. Brings out figures about rex growth and other airlines and companys retrenching people etc etc.
I can see it already. Sadly
I can see it already. Sadly
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'greedy' pilots in this 'economic' crisis rejecting 'good' pay offers
Surely the AFAP has a media department?
