CTMS Delays Sydney
Disco Stu,
Pretty sure anyone who understands ATC has said it here many times before, but just in case:
Rule 1: "It's about the Runways"
Fiddling with enroute Airspace in Australia means & does nothing to delays.
Rule 2: " ATC don't delay aircraft - other aircraft delay aircraft"
A Departure slot time is not about delaying you - it is about saving you money, because some other shiny jet wants to land just before you - and one right after you. When you are on the freeway driving your flash Volvo whi do you blame for the delays? Usually whoever built the infrastructure or lack of it. It's the same deal.
Rule 3: " WX conditions X Available Runways (X Political Runway Configuration) (X ATC Staffing!) = Runway Acceptance Rate.
Runway Demand less Runway Acceptance Rate = delay (plus unplanned or unplannable events: pilot initiated missed approaches due non-wx related issues / MED1 EMERG / Aircraft returning to land EMERG / Insert Here)
A 2 minute slot that is not avail is not a 2 minute delay for one aircraft - it is a cumulative 2 min delay until excess capacity exists again.
It's simple really.
Solution = more runways (stop closing airports Government! Councils!)
Solution to Delays Does NOT = Lobbying, Cutting ATC Numbers, New Whizbang Enroute Software tools, Flex Tracks, ADS-Bblah blah blah.
Ask anyone in the USA - they will tell you the same.
Pretty sure anyone who understands ATC has said it here many times before, but just in case:
Rule 1: "It's about the Runways"
Fiddling with enroute Airspace in Australia means & does nothing to delays.
Rule 2: " ATC don't delay aircraft - other aircraft delay aircraft"
A Departure slot time is not about delaying you - it is about saving you money, because some other shiny jet wants to land just before you - and one right after you. When you are on the freeway driving your flash Volvo whi do you blame for the delays? Usually whoever built the infrastructure or lack of it. It's the same deal.
Rule 3: " WX conditions X Available Runways (X Political Runway Configuration) (X ATC Staffing!) = Runway Acceptance Rate.
Runway Demand less Runway Acceptance Rate = delay (plus unplanned or unplannable events: pilot initiated missed approaches due non-wx related issues / MED1 EMERG / Aircraft returning to land EMERG / Insert Here)
A 2 minute slot that is not avail is not a 2 minute delay for one aircraft - it is a cumulative 2 min delay until excess capacity exists again.
It's simple really.
Solution = more runways (stop closing airports Government! Councils!)
Solution to Delays Does NOT = Lobbying, Cutting ATC Numbers, New Whizbang Enroute Software tools, Flex Tracks, ADS-Bblah blah blah.
Ask anyone in the USA - they will tell you the same.
Hey 125.6,
Re - "Ask anyone in the USA - they will tell you the same."
We don't have to go as far as that!! We have our very own 'resident' US Rep.
right here.......
(Although he has been sort of 'quiet' of late....)
Slight 'drift' I know, but tongue in cheek for a little 'lightening up'.....
Cheers
Re - "Ask anyone in the USA - they will tell you the same."
We don't have to go as far as that!! We have our very own 'resident' US Rep.
right here.......
(Although he has been sort of 'quiet' of late....)
Slight 'drift' I know, but tongue in cheek for a little 'lightening up'.....
Cheers
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Hi Griffo,
I always thought that Stu was one of the brighter posters here. I'm just putting it down to a brain-fart. We've all had them.
As for your "US rep" comment, it's a bit early in the day to be on the red!
I always thought that Stu was one of the brighter posters here. I'm just putting it down to a brain-fart. We've all had them.
As for your "US rep" comment, it's a bit early in the day to be on the red!
Segregate, separate, isolate.
Put all prop traffic on 16L/34R and leave the big bit of bitumen for jets, surely that'd help sort out some of the issues.
So many times I've seen anything up to a dozen jets waiting for a Dash8 to arrive on 16R battling into a 25kt southerly. Then they'll get one away before a SAAB rolls in, sloooowly. This slows down everyone arriving behind them and holds up everyone awaiting departure.
I've seen how fast you guys and girls in the Dash's taxi, it's the only time you'll ever get away from us! It'd wouldn't take toooo long to get to 34R.
Match the speeds, it's gotta help.
And no, I'm certainly not having a go at prop-drivers, just trying to use some common sense to sort out the problem. A dangerous tactic in this industry I know.
So many times I've seen anything up to a dozen jets waiting for a Dash8 to arrive on 16R battling into a 25kt southerly. Then they'll get one away before a SAAB rolls in, sloooowly. This slows down everyone arriving behind them and holds up everyone awaiting departure.
I've seen how fast you guys and girls in the Dash's taxi, it's the only time you'll ever get away from us! It'd wouldn't take toooo long to get to 34R.
Match the speeds, it's gotta help.
And no, I'm certainly not having a go at prop-drivers, just trying to use some common sense to sort out the problem. A dangerous tactic in this industry I know.
Simple idea. But both runways are needed for the amount jet movements so it doesn't matter where they are.
Besides in reality - there is bugger all diff between the speeds within 10 miles of the runway, or times within 20 miles - if flown properly - in VMC.
If you could dump LTOP/Noise Sharing/Movement Caps overnight, efficiency would go through the roof. None of that is to do with ATC - it is to do with politics.
Besides in reality - there is bugger all diff between the speeds within 10 miles of the runway, or times within 20 miles - if flown properly - in VMC.
If you could dump LTOP/Noise Sharing/Movement Caps overnight, efficiency would go through the roof. None of that is to do with ATC - it is to do with politics.
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Between CTMS delays, no PRMS(SY) and that rediculous noise abatement (SY)
, SY, Ml and even Bn are becoming more and more painfull by the day
Why should Airlines cop this rubbish its hard enough as it is to make a buck in this insane industry.
Where all sick of the abuse we and mainly our cabin crew cop from the PAYING pax.
Industrial action in the future for ATC?? who knows, but I would think the vast majority of Pilots and Airline management would probably quitely support it despite the increased inconvenience it would cause.
Good luck ATC I would like to think the majority of Pilots respect your job and the pressure your constantly under, where all just a bit sick of been stuffed around all the time
, SY, Ml and even Bn are becoming more and more painfull by the day Why should Airlines cop this rubbish its hard enough as it is to make a buck in this insane industry.Where all sick of the abuse we and mainly our cabin crew cop from the PAYING pax.
Industrial action in the future for ATC?? who knows, but I would think the vast majority of Pilots and Airline management would probably quitely support it despite the increased inconvenience it would cause.
Good luck ATC I would like to think the majority of Pilots respect your job and the pressure your constantly under, where all just a bit sick of been stuffed around all the time
