DELTA announce ATL-LAX-SYD
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DELTA announce ATL-LAX-SYD
Effective 1 July
DL017 ATL1900 - 2040LAX2240 - 0640+2SYD 77L D
DL016 SYD0915 - 0600LAX0740 - 1455ATL 77L D
Another player on the SYD-LAX route.
Cant be good for V Aus as they will be up against STAR, Oneworld and Skyteam with no partner or feed in Los Angeles.
DL017 ATL1900 - 2040LAX2240 - 0640+2SYD 77L D
DL016 SYD0915 - 0600LAX0740 - 1455ATL 77L D
Another player on the SYD-LAX route.
Cant be good for V Aus as they will be up against STAR, Oneworld and Skyteam with no partner or feed in Los Angeles.
I mentioned this on another thread some months ago (info from a Delta Captain who seemed to be in the know). This was planned prior to the acquisition of Northwest Airlines and it shows that Delta is set on a path to being a true global airline despite the financial crisis.
With the immense resources that it now has at its disposal, there will be serious competition for Qantas/American/United as well as a nightmare for V Oz' start-up operation.
With the immense resources that it now has at its disposal, there will be serious competition for Qantas/American/United as well as a nightmare for V Oz' start-up operation.
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Where has this actually been announced?? I can't find any reference to it.
Even Delta's own website of "New Routes" doesn't mention it though it mentions many other new routes out till July 09. New Routes
Even Delta's own website of "New Routes" doesn't mention it though it mentions many other new routes out till July 09. New Routes
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Out of curiosity, did NWA still have rights to SYD? Not suggesting that was why Delta baought them of course...those valuable SYD rights!
Last time I saw a Delta aircraft here was when the 764 did a demo tour & overnighted at Tulla.
BTW....
What happened to this one then?
DELTA's 1st 777-200LR will be entering service on the New York JFK - Mumbai route starting 30MAR08.
DL016 JFK2055 - 2210+1BOM 77L D
DL017 BOM0020 - 0640JFK 77L D
Last time I saw a Delta aircraft here was when the 764 did a demo tour & overnighted at Tulla.
BTW....
What happened to this one then?
DELTA's 1st 777-200LR will be entering service on the New York JFK - Mumbai route starting 30MAR08.
DL016 JFK2055 - 2210+1BOM 77L D
DL017 BOM0020 - 0640JFK 77L D
Buster, I believe that Delta is operating the JFK-Mumbai service - or at least they were back in June. Delta crews stay in the same hotel in NY and the Delta captain, who told me of their intention to start a service to SYD, was about to operate to Mumbai.
My understanding is the Open Skies agreement signed between the US & Aust means that any airline that is majority owned in either country can start services across the Pacific - it leaves other carriers such as SQ & EK out in the cold (which is fine by me as their countries don't have anything to offer in return.
My understanding is the Open Skies agreement signed between the US & Aust means that any airline that is majority owned in either country can start services across the Pacific - it leaves other carriers such as SQ & EK out in the cold (which is fine by me as their countries don't have anything to offer in return.
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SFO is their base, but the only difference in the sched as far as I can see is that you can fly to Las Vegas & San Diego from SFO but not from LAX.
Not operating to LAS from LAX might be a turn off for some, but don't you still have to clear US customs at the first point of entry, so would it be that much more difficult to change carriers?
They fly from SFO & LAX to the same cities on the east coast, with the exception being LAX - BOS which does not commence until 12 Feb 2009.
Other than that the frequencies might be a clincher, did not check that far into it.
Not operating to LAS from LAX might be a turn off for some, but don't you still have to clear US customs at the first point of entry, so would it be that much more difficult to change carriers?
They fly from SFO & LAX to the same cities on the east coast, with the exception being LAX - BOS which does not commence until 12 Feb 2009.
Other than that the frequencies might be a clincher, did not check that far into it.
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Blueloo, Qantas used to have an outstanding product. Emphasis on "used to". I don't want to bag Qantas, but I can't let the ill-informed image of the big bad USA airlines go unanswered. In my experience flying regularly across the Pacific and domestically in both countries, US airlines:
a) usually take off on time
b) have employees who do everything they can to take care of you if you look like missing connecting flights
c) have seats that are just as comfortable
d) keep aircraft interiors acceptably clean
e) the customs and language might be a little different, but the cc are considerate, courteous, hard-working and efficient in the USA way
f) have inflight entertainment systems that work
g) consider the customer and employees just as important, if not more so, than the shareholders
h) passengers don't get hassled and treated like crooks if their carry-on looks like it might tip the scales a few grams over the limit
Wish I could say the same about my experiences on QF over the last 15 years.
a) usually take off on time
b) have employees who do everything they can to take care of you if you look like missing connecting flights
c) have seats that are just as comfortable
d) keep aircraft interiors acceptably clean
e) the customs and language might be a little different, but the cc are considerate, courteous, hard-working and efficient in the USA way
f) have inflight entertainment systems that work
g) consider the customer and employees just as important, if not more so, than the shareholders
h) passengers don't get hassled and treated like crooks if their carry-on looks like it might tip the scales a few grams over the limit
Wish I could say the same about my experiences on QF over the last 15 years.
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Your absolutely nuts. Try living here in the great USA for a while. American legacy carriers are old world, with dinosaur F/A's, complete disregard for customer service and exceptionally inept in regard to customer service. For reference look at US Airways and their new regime of charging even for water etc.
Northwest have the oldest, most jaded, bitter Flight attendants in the industry and i cry at the thought of them on the LAX to SYD route. NWA had the rights to the route so would think they would maybe crew it.
Your absolutely nuts. Try living here in the great USA for a while. American legacy carriers are old world, with dinosaur F/A's, complete disregard for customer service and exceptionally inept in regard to customer service. For reference look at US Airways and their new regime of charging even for water etc.
Northwest have the oldest, most jaded, bitter Flight attendants in the industry and i cry at the thought of them on the LAX to SYD route. NWA had the rights to the route so would think they would maybe crew it.
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron
Where has this actually been announced?? I can't find any reference to it.
Even Delta's own website of "New Routes" doesn't mention it though it mentions many other new routes out till July 09. New Routes
Even Delta's own website of "New Routes" doesn't mention it though it mentions many other new routes out till July 09. New Routes
Delta Adding Flights to Australia, Brazil 12/18/2008
Delta Air Lines Inc. said Thursday it will add international routes from Los Angeles supported by a recent partnership with Alaska Air Group. In July 2009 from Los Angeles International Airport, Delta (NYSE: DAL) will launch its first-ever daily nonstop service between Los Angeles and Sydney, Australia. With the addition of Sydney, Delta will become the only U.S. airline to fly to six continents. It also will add three-times weekly service between Los Angeles and Sao Paulo, Brazil beginning May 21.
Delta said the agreement will make Sydney, Sao Paulo, and existing flights to Latin America, Tokyo-Narita, Seoul-Inchon, Guangzhou, Amsterdam, Paris-Charles De Gaulle and other U.S. destinations more accessible to travelers from points throughout the West Coast through connections with Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air. Beginning in March, Delta also will increase nonstop service between Los Angeles and New York-JFK from seven to eight daily flights to improve connections for New York and Northeast customers on long-haul international flights via Los Angeles.
Delta said customers in the Southeast will benefit from same-plane service between Atlanta and Sydney via Los Angeles.
The long talked about advent of Delta to SYD could be the nail in the coffin for Virgin Aust. It is difficult to see how Virgin Aust can compete in the U.S against Delta with a fleet of over 1,100 aircraft and a huge network catchment area.
I would expect Delta to now order the B777-300ER as their current B777-200 fleet is not the most suitable for the transpacific. It may be prudent for Virgin Aust to offer Delta their B777-300ER fleet. By doing so Virgin Aust would postpone their U.S service to a more suitable future date.
I would expect Delta to now order the B777-300ER as their current B777-200 fleet is not the most suitable for the transpacific. It may be prudent for Virgin Aust to offer Delta their B777-300ER fleet. By doing so Virgin Aust would postpone their U.S service to a more suitable future date.
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The hidden danger in this is the round world fares.
Previously the well priced Skyteam fare required a dogleg over Incheon on the leg to/from the US. Now it is gone, and the fare is more than viable with Deltas considerable internal North/ Central/South American networks.
That is your automatic base load taken care of, low yield though it may be.
VA unfortunately has no true global presence, apart from the US connection, and a limited round world with VS, internal Europe and Australia with Virgin offshoots most of which deal on a web only or dodgy GDS basis. Hence no easily executed round world is really viable.
I have been trying to contact them via the only easy route - unfortunately Email - to get us logged in as reseller, but have hit a glass mountain. Guess they aren't over stressed about us selling their services, despite the fact we have bookings in place already.
Quel domage.
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Previously the well priced Skyteam fare required a dogleg over Incheon on the leg to/from the US. Now it is gone, and the fare is more than viable with Deltas considerable internal North/ Central/South American networks.
That is your automatic base load taken care of, low yield though it may be.
VA unfortunately has no true global presence, apart from the US connection, and a limited round world with VS, internal Europe and Australia with Virgin offshoots most of which deal on a web only or dodgy GDS basis. Hence no easily executed round world is really viable.
I have been trying to contact them via the only easy route - unfortunately Email - to get us logged in as reseller, but have hit a glass mountain. Guess they aren't over stressed about us selling their services, despite the fact we have bookings in place already.
Quel domage.
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Originally Posted by ANstar
Effective 1 July
DL017 ATL1900 - 2040LAX2240 - 0640+2SYD 77L D
DL016 SYD0915 - 0600LAX0740 - 1455ATL 77L D
DL017 ATL1900 - 2040LAX2240 - 0640+2SYD 77L D
DL016 SYD0915 - 0600LAX0740 - 1455ATL 77L D
And it will be on the 777-200LR.
Originally Posted by press release
To celebrate the new international routes, Delta is offering special one-way introductory fares of $499*** from Los Angeles to Sydney for travel between July 1 and Sept. 21, 2009. Tickets must be purchased by Jan. 12, 2009
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We have DL amongst our 70 airline plates weasil - so we are good to go!!!
However no nett fares or special fares have been released ex Australia as yet. Cheapest J class return SYDLAX fare is showing as $14518.00 before taxes which is over what I can get on a QF Platinum corporate J class to BOS much less LAX.
They may have done due dilligence in the US market, but not here, but their handling agent cant be expected to run on a shoestring and do all their local marketing too.
16A upstairs for me on a big warm fuzzy dugong thank you.
Bad pre planning DL.
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However no nett fares or special fares have been released ex Australia as yet. Cheapest J class return SYDLAX fare is showing as $14518.00 before taxes which is over what I can get on a QF Platinum corporate J class to BOS much less LAX.
They may have done due dilligence in the US market, but not here, but their handling agent cant be expected to run on a shoestring and do all their local marketing too.
16A upstairs for me on a big warm fuzzy dugong thank you.
Bad pre planning DL.
Best regards
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In my experience flying regularly across the Pacific ..., US airlines:
f) have inflight entertainment systems that work
f) have inflight entertainment systems that work
Followed by (on way home) "Everyone, same movie you saw on the way over! On big screen in 10 minutes".
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which is fine by me as their countries don't have anything to offer in return
