Radio news this morning - Richmond to become 2nd Sydney Airport, Hercs to Nowra.
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I guess you mean wilton or perhaps holsworthy.
There's been about 20 different locations mooted since WWII from goulburn in the south west to wyong and newcastle in the north.even towra point and wattamolla were proposed a long time ago.
Holsworthy wont happen imho.wilton highly unlikely.its just too hard these days and the money aint there now.
There's been about 20 different locations mooted since WWII from goulburn in the south west to wyong and newcastle in the north.even towra point and wattamolla were proposed a long time ago.
Holsworthy wont happen imho.wilton highly unlikely.its just too hard these days and the money aint there now.
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As I think someone's already suggested - do a Narita and build an island in the middle of Botany Bay.
Of course, that suggestion will never get past the greenies, because any such island would almost certainly threaten the migratory route of the rare as bat**** Botany Bay green-striped, one-eyed sand slug, which breeds only at Kurnell in empty wine casks that have been dumped onto the ocean floor by indigenous conservationists (quite a few of those to be found at Kurnell - the empty wine casks, I mean, not the indigenous conservationists).
Of course, that suggestion will never get past the greenies, because any such island would almost certainly threaten the migratory route of the rare as bat**** Botany Bay green-striped, one-eyed sand slug, which breeds only at Kurnell in empty wine casks that have been dumped onto the ocean floor by indigenous conservationists (quite a few of those to be found at Kurnell - the empty wine casks, I mean, not the indigenous conservationists).
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I stand corrected, FoxtrotAlpha18, Kansai it is.
The sad fact is, but for the Botany Bay one eyed green striped sand slug, (or pick your favourite endangered fauna or flora), it would work, and a damn sight better than any of the other options.
The sad fact is, but for the Botany Bay one eyed green striped sand slug, (or pick your favourite endangered fauna or flora), it would work, and a damn sight better than any of the other options.
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Build a new airport in Botany Bay? What about KSA? Would this be an extension to it, or a completely new runway layout...you've got to be kidding. If you were going to build an island airport like Kansai or Nagoya, it would have to be off the coast somewhere....and that will never happen in Australia.
Whatever happened to Badgerys Creek? The site was selected decades ago, as the best of a bad bunch.
I just laugh when I hear about a new airport being built 'outside the Sydney Basin'...why not announce Sydney's new airport is to be located in Brisbane, and just rename the airport there...that's about as practical as locating a new airport in Goulburn or Newcastle.
Whatever happened to Badgerys Creek? The site was selected decades ago, as the best of a bad bunch.
I just laugh when I hear about a new airport being built 'outside the Sydney Basin'...why not announce Sydney's new airport is to be located in Brisbane, and just rename the airport there...that's about as practical as locating a new airport in Goulburn or Newcastle.
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why not somewhere in the royal national park 
like near the corner of mainbar and bundeena rd 
fairly flat land around there 
sure you could get a couple of 3000 meter plus runways at this location.
like near the corner of mainbar and bundeena rd fairly flat land around there sure you could get a couple of 3000 meter plus runways at this location.
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Don't underestimate the power of the greenies. As soon as you go near a tree, all hell will break loose.
But I agree, the government should start looking at the national parks IMO.
But I agree, the government should start looking at the national parks IMO.
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Originally the idea for an extra landing area at Sydney was to install cooling pipes off Malabar and create an ice runway. It was to be called Sydneys Turd Runway.
To be sure.
To be sure.
Andu. Actually I find your comment quite appaulling. It is both ignorant and arrogant.
It's amazing that there is a derogatory label (Greenie) for someone who wants to preserve an important natural environment but none for the perverse who want to destroy it!
It's amazing that there is a derogatory label (Greenie) for someone who wants to preserve an important natural environment but none for the perverse who want to destroy it!
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I am one for seeing more birds in the air 
So it seems that a national park would be ideal for the migratory birds to have a curfew free residence. Also locating within a national park would alleviate the stupid planning of allowing people to build houses that degrades the habitat of the migratory birds landing grounds that allow for such things as eco tourism. 
What are we talking about here about one thousand acres? It would be interesting to do a carbon footprint analysis of the diversions that occur because of the curfew and other inefficiencies due to the scheduling problems.
So it seems that a national park would be ideal for the migratory birds to have a curfew free residence. Also locating within a national park would alleviate the stupid planning of allowing people to build houses that degrades the habitat of the migratory birds landing grounds that allow for such things as eco tourism. What are we talking about here about one thousand acres? It would be interesting to do a carbon footprint analysis of the diversions that occur because of the curfew and other inefficiencies due to the scheduling problems.
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I have the solution, not too far from Sydney and one runway is already there just need to expand just mind the explosives
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Holsworthy NSW, Australia - Google Maps
......Holsworthy NSW, Australia - Google Maps
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Ok Holsworthy might seem like a good idea and everything as it is close to infrastructure yadda yadda. However, why do we seem to insist on trying to make civilian the pieces of infrastructures that the military do require to do their jobs. (I am not in the military) The amount of shifting around that the military personel get It is important to have facilities close to population centres to give them some sense of normalcy.
Look at what has happened at tullamarine over the years increasing population encroaching on the airport and how long til they start asking for curfew themselves if not one exists already? (I am not sure) This is where if you could appease the environmentalist for some where in the royal national park. For instance. Say the land that has been bought at badgerys creek, be turned into native bushland /forest or a new national park. Cause what are we talking one thousand acres here?
I am one for protecting the environment and that it is an important pursuit it is also important to provide infrastructure to society as it does create effencies of its own. I am happy to argue with any environmentalist about the recycling of paper and how energy intensive that it is. Would be better of sowing the energy and resources into plantation timber to supply new feedstocks. Total different story about recycling metals etc. but i digress.
Aviation has many benefiets these include social, and environmental benefiets. When you think of just in the land use of 2 airports and compare the land used building a major highway or railway right of way to connect two cities 600km apart. Which is more damaging? Just think we have to learn to play the game with the new rules that have been written by people that have made the game un-fair and use there own rules against them.
Look at what has happened at tullamarine over the years increasing population encroaching on the airport and how long til they start asking for curfew themselves if not one exists already? (I am not sure) This is where if you could appease the environmentalist for some where in the royal national park. For instance. Say the land that has been bought at badgerys creek, be turned into native bushland /forest or a new national park. Cause what are we talking one thousand acres here?
I am one for protecting the environment and that it is an important pursuit it is also important to provide infrastructure to society as it does create effencies of its own. I am happy to argue with any environmentalist about the recycling of paper and how energy intensive that it is. Would be better of sowing the energy and resources into plantation timber to supply new feedstocks. Total different story about recycling metals etc. but i digress.
Aviation has many benefiets these include social, and environmental benefiets. When you think of just in the land use of 2 airports and compare the land used building a major highway or railway right of way to connect two cities 600km apart. Which is more damaging? Just think we have to learn to play the game with the new rules that have been written by people that have made the game un-fair and use there own rules against them.
What about this one? We could just send the bugsmashers there(Rex & QLink), oh and maybe just the l'il DJ Brazilians.
The incumbent Government would only lose tens of thousands of votes instead of hundreds of thousands.
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The incumbent Government would only lose tens of thousands of votes instead of hundreds of thousands.
Camden Airport NSW - Google Maps
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yeah perhaps but then what do we do with GA? oh that is right we should sell GA out.
It needs new infrastructure not trying to redevelop or re-use infrastructure which is at its peak already. Its busy enough already at camden in the circuit and you have them closing the main runway to film top gear already...
This time of economic crisis, is the time to be sowing into infrastructure projects of national importance. Not sure whether second airport in sydney is national important not up with the figures. However I do know that having a curfew at YSSY is just dumb in this day and age in a global economy.
oh that is right we should sell GA out. It needs new infrastructure not trying to redevelop or re-use infrastructure which is at its peak already. Its busy enough already at camden in the circuit and you have them closing the main runway to film top gear already...
This time of economic crisis, is the time to be sowing into infrastructure projects of national importance. Not sure whether second airport in sydney is national important not up with the figures. However I do know that having a curfew at YSSY is just dumb in this day and age in a global economy.
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Andu. Actually I find your comment quite appaulling. It is both ignorant and arrogant.
In my arrogance and ignorance, I still believe that an offshore runway and new terminal (the existing international terminal at Sydney is barely adequate) in the bay would result in more efficiency and less long term expense - to say nothing of the reduced carbon footprint (today's feelgood catchphrase) in wasted overland travel and delay from any other new airport option.
And it must be said that any other option would, with absolute certainly, be subject to insistent cries for a curfew even before the runways were built.
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redleader78, no need to shift the military out of Holsworthy. They can do what has been done around the world and share the facilities, IE domestic terminal one side and military on the other with priority going to the military for departures and arrivals as it is done at Darwin Airport i believe.
Anyhow what do they use that strip for now any how , i have been told a while ago that they use to do paratroop training there but it has now moved somewhere else i have been told. correct me if i am wrong.
The other problem is that Sydney Airport Corporation decided to get rid of two international bays to build more shopping areas for passengers but forgot to think that they have now lost 300+ pax potential customers and i cant see them building two new bays any time soon 
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Anyhow what do they use that strip for now any how , i have been told a while ago that they use to do paratroop training there but it has now moved somewhere else i have been told. correct me if i am wrong
.The other problem is that Sydney Airport Corporation decided to get rid of two international bays to build more shopping areas for passengers
but forgot to think that they have now lost 300+ pax potential customers and i cant see them building two new bays any time soon regards Satmstr
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The other problem is that Sydney Airport Corporation decided to get rid of two international bays to build more shopping areas for passengers but forgot to think that they have now lost 300+ pax potential customers and i cant see them building two new bays any time soon...
but forgot to think that they have now lost 300+ pax potential customers and i cant see them building two new bays any time soon...
Sydney Airport did not "get rid of two international bays to build more shopping areas", they closed two bays to redevelop the current two arrivals halls into one large area, specifically more baggage carousels and many more customs/immigration desks. Tell me that wasn't needed...
Yes, they'll be adding more shops as well upstairs, but the reason for the development was to upgrade the arrivals hall. Plus, they've opened three new remote bays across near the old tower, and have three more coming soon.
But don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument will you...
