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There's something odd about this story. 5 drunk punters cause an airline to incur significant costs, many fellow passenegers would have been delayed and missed connectionc, yet neither the airline or authorities take any action.
Then the Jet* spin doctor says "Our captain and crew have a duty of care to all passengers." That being so, how did the drunks manage to get on board? Is there now a lot of soul-searching at Jet*??.
Passengers' drunken fight forces Jetstar plane back to Darwin
By Matt Cunningham November 01, 2008 08:35am
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Drunk passengers start fight
Captain turns plane around
Second incident in a week
AN international flight was forced to return to Darwin airport after a fight broke out between five drunken passengers.
Jetstar flight JQ61 carrying 172 passengers from Darwin to Singapore was forced to turn around about half an hour after it took off from Darwin airport on Thursday night, the Northern Territory News reported.
Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway said it was believed the men had been drinking dutyfree alcohol before they boarded the plane.
Despite being intoxicated, they passed several security checkpoints and boarded the plane.
Mr Westaway said the men became "disruptive" about 30 minutes after take-off, leaving the captain no option but to turn the plane around.
"We originally contemplated having security meet them in Singapore but the captain made the decision to go back to Darwin," he said.
It is the second Australian flight in a week to be turned around because of unruly passengers
Australian Federal Police officers were waiting at Darwin airport and escorted the five Malaysian men off the plane.
Two men were taken into protective custody. The other three were allowed to leave on their own.
The two men in custody were later released after Jetstar informed the AFP it did not want to pursue charges.
The disruption delayed the flight by about three hours.
"We are doing our own investigation as to how these individuals got on to the plane while intoxicated," Mr Westaway said. But he said Jetstar management supported the captain's decision to turn the plane around.
"Our captain and crew have a duty of care to all passengers," he said. he said.
By Matt Cunningham November 01, 2008 08:35am
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Drunk passengers start fight
Captain turns plane around
Second incident in a week
AN international flight was forced to return to Darwin airport after a fight broke out between five drunken passengers.
Jetstar flight JQ61 carrying 172 passengers from Darwin to Singapore was forced to turn around about half an hour after it took off from Darwin airport on Thursday night, the Northern Territory News reported.
Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway said it was believed the men had been drinking dutyfree alcohol before they boarded the plane.
Despite being intoxicated, they passed several security checkpoints and boarded the plane.
Mr Westaway said the men became "disruptive" about 30 minutes after take-off, leaving the captain no option but to turn the plane around.
"We originally contemplated having security meet them in Singapore but the captain made the decision to go back to Darwin," he said.
It is the second Australian flight in a week to be turned around because of unruly passengers
Australian Federal Police officers were waiting at Darwin airport and escorted the five Malaysian men off the plane.
Two men were taken into protective custody. The other three were allowed to leave on their own.
The two men in custody were later released after Jetstar informed the AFP it did not want to pursue charges.
The disruption delayed the flight by about three hours.
"We are doing our own investigation as to how these individuals got on to the plane while intoxicated," Mr Westaway said. But he said Jetstar management supported the captain's decision to turn the plane around.
"Our captain and crew have a duty of care to all passengers," he said. he said.
Then the Jet* spin doctor says "Our captain and crew have a duty of care to all passengers." That being so, how did the drunks manage to get on board? Is there now a lot of soul-searching at Jet*??.
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Mate, I have been paxing on a QF flight to NZ only to have the misfortune to sit with a Rugby League team, whose only aim was to drink the aircraft dry. Its a miserable and confronting way to travel regardless what airline your on. If it is the case JQ did the only thing possible, and my sympathy goes to the hard working JQ cabin crew, who seem to put up with a lot, and handle it well. If people are behaving ok in the shed, how or why do you stop them from boarding.
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They shouldn't have been allowed to board in an intoxicated state.
Yes, denying boarding is confrontational, unpleasant and sometimes difficult.
However it is the responsibility of whoever runs the cabin to ensure that apes like these don't get on, three sheets to the wind.
Besides, I can't imagine an instance at Qantas where a Captain wouldn't support the assessment of a CSM.
Not even the goons running QF CC management are going to take you to task over a delay incurred for this kind of incident.
Maybe things are different at, "onya jetstar"?
Yes, denying boarding is confrontational, unpleasant and sometimes difficult.
However it is the responsibility of whoever runs the cabin to ensure that apes like these don't get on, three sheets to the wind.
Besides, I can't imagine an instance at Qantas where a Captain wouldn't support the assessment of a CSM.
Not even the goons running QF CC management are going to take you to task over a delay incurred for this kind of incident.
Maybe things are different at, "onya jetstar"?
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Mate, I have been paxing on a QF flight to NZ only to have the misfortune to sit with a Rugby League team
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Lol HotDog, somehow I doubt the fun police would be all over that one today... I've always thought it a pretty valid action in the event things bcome severely disruptive...
Speedbird, it's not always that easy. On a couple of occasions I've had passegers kick off after t/o... they appeared fine and in full possession of their faculties on boarding... some people have just learnt to hide it very well for the crucial time of boarding...
It's much harder to do anything after take off, I know... but sometimes it's not down to the cc... especially on international flights- it's ground crew who do the boarding, and sadly, some of them seem to be of the mentality of 'get rid of them so they won't be our problem'- sadly these people seem to forget what that can do in the confines of a cabin at altitude.
Speedbird, it's not always that easy. On a couple of occasions I've had passegers kick off after t/o... they appeared fine and in full possession of their faculties on boarding... some people have just learnt to hide it very well for the crucial time of boarding...
It's much harder to do anything after take off, I know... but sometimes it's not down to the cc... especially on international flights- it's ground crew who do the boarding, and sadly, some of them seem to be of the mentality of 'get rid of them so they won't be our problem'- sadly these people seem to forget what that can do in the confines of a cabin at altitude.
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Why are you having a go at Jet* (typical JQ bashing). The same article mentioned the earlier incident with DJ except there was 2 idiots. Same deal - why not ask questions about them?
While the airlines should really take more action before they board, the airline is trying to get them boarding as soon as possible. Unless someone is blind drunk, you can't tell if peple are intoxicated.
The biggest problem is even if these fools are charged, they get away with it. They should pay ALL of the costs of thier stupidity - the accomodation, the fuel, and all the other expenses incurred. That would stop them pretty quickly.
While the airlines should really take more action before they board, the airline is trying to get them boarding as soon as possible. Unless someone is blind drunk, you can't tell if peple are intoxicated.
The biggest problem is even if these fools are charged, they get away with it. They should pay ALL of the costs of thier stupidity - the accomodation, the fuel, and all the other expenses incurred. That would stop them pretty quickly.
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Get them to pay the costs, but I don't think the idiots who do this are thinking enough to stop themselves.
I don't think most people who break laws are actually thinking of the consequences whilst actually breaking the law, except corporate types who usually apply a cost/benefit ratio applied against what are the chances of getting caught, and how good are my lawyers, and who can I get as a fallguy.
I don't think most people who break laws are actually thinking of the consequences whilst actually breaking the law, except corporate types who usually apply a cost/benefit ratio applied against what are the chances of getting caught, and how good are my lawyers, and who can I get as a fallguy.
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Yes, sure they shouldn't get as far as the aircraft if the ground staff do as they should.
Contract check in/ground staff in ports like DPS are more likely than not, going to avoid the confrontation involved and not just for cultural reasons.
If and when they do get to the aircraft those at the door ought to be the ones identifying those passengers who are [visibly] intoxicated and advise the Captain.
If the report is correct these morons were intoxicated and started misbehaving 1/2 hour out of DWN.
Contract check in/ground staff in ports like DPS are more likely than not, going to avoid the confrontation involved and not just for cultural reasons.
If and when they do get to the aircraft those at the door ought to be the ones identifying those passengers who are [visibly] intoxicated and advise the Captain.
If the report is correct these morons were intoxicated and started misbehaving 1/2 hour out of DWN.
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Oh BTW, Quote-
"We are doing our own investigation as to how these individuals got on to the plane while intoxicated"
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I wonder who "onya jetstar's" management are going to be coming after for allowing them onboard........
"We are doing our own investigation as to how these individuals got on to the plane while intoxicated"
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I wonder who "onya jetstar's" management are going to be coming after for allowing them onboard........
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Malaysians? Muslims on the pi55?
Australian Federal Police officers were waiting at Darwin airport and escorted the five Malaysian men off the plane.
Drunken fight forces plane back - Northern Territory News
Australian Federal Police officers were waiting at Darwin airport and escorted the five Malaysian men off the plane.
Drunken fight forces plane back - Northern Territory News
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Tinpis...not all Malaysians are muslims...from memory about 70%...but yeah most I have met visiting Oz drink!
Speedbirdhouse...yet another negative statement...surely an investigation is simply that....why does it suggest the JQ management are going after anyone. You seem a bit out of touch with modern day ground handling. Im sure most people on this forum have snuck past a boarding gate after a few too many pints. Lets keep in mind that JQ like QF have CC at the gate who would be the point that picks up a drunk pax...not in fact the ground staff (for the A320 fleet at least).
Speedbirdhouse...yet another negative statement...surely an investigation is simply that....why does it suggest the JQ management are going after anyone. You seem a bit out of touch with modern day ground handling. Im sure most people on this forum have snuck past a boarding gate after a few too many pints. Lets keep in mind that JQ like QF have CC at the gate who would be the point that picks up a drunk pax...not in fact the ground staff (for the A320 fleet at least).
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Deny Boarding
With a few years experience under your belt you can become very adept at spotting anyone slightly intoxicated....
Have a quick chat..make an evaluation and act accordingly.
If indeed they are intoxicated they dont get onboard.
Allowing 5 onboard is just asking for trouble
Have a quick chat..make an evaluation and act accordingly.
If indeed they are intoxicated they dont get onboard.
Allowing 5 onboard is just asking for trouble
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jet.jackson,
spoken like someone who knows what he is talking about unlike our friend TMAK.
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"Lets keep in mind ",QF [Internationally] DONT have Cabin Crew at the gate.
Do "onya Jetstar" and more importantly?
Do you know what you are talking about?
It doesn't sound like it.........
spoken like someone who knows what he is talking about unlike our friend TMAK.
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"Lets keep in mind ",QF [Internationally] DONT have Cabin Crew at the gate.
Do "onya Jetstar" and more importantly?
Do you know what you are talking about?
It doesn't sound like it.........
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Didn't think cc were allowed to be of aircraft on international flights, could be different in DRW though. 170-something pax... what's the full load for the 320, I thought it was around the 150-165 mark? Aren't they using the A330 for JQI flights?
As I said, QF don't have cc at the gate on international flights... I am one so I would know. Not even on the 737, it is all done by ground crew. I agree with experience one can recognise MOST pax showing signs of intoxication... but some don't show it. Once knew a guy who could have 8 beers in a short time and still speak normally, without any sign of slurred speech or unfocused eyes. Point is there will be ALWAYS someone who gets pax, even if the cc are on the ball- as there are plenty of other things to be looking at during boarding as well. Often, you don't realise until after they walk off and the alcohol smell wafts up. In which case it's seat number noted and quiet chat prior to t/o.
As I said, QF don't have cc at the gate on international flights... I am one so I would know. Not even on the 737, it is all done by ground crew. I agree with experience one can recognise MOST pax showing signs of intoxication... but some don't show it. Once knew a guy who could have 8 beers in a short time and still speak normally, without any sign of slurred speech or unfocused eyes. Point is there will be ALWAYS someone who gets pax, even if the cc are on the ball- as there are plenty of other things to be looking at during boarding as well. Often, you don't realise until after they walk off and the alcohol smell wafts up. In which case it's seat number noted and quiet chat prior to t/o.
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Trusworthy pax
Our team must really trust no-one is turped/toked up!
We now have Automated check-in, Auto bag processing - after the auto check in prints ya bag label, just drop it on th conveyer - then at the gate you swipe your own boarding pass and your on the tarmac!!
Will save $30m a year.
We now have Automated check-in, Auto bag processing - after the auto check in prints ya bag label, just drop it on th conveyer - then at the gate you swipe your own boarding pass and your on the tarmac!!
Will save $30m a year.
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Point is there will be ALWAYS someone who gets pax, even if the cc are on the ball- as there are plenty of other things to be looking at during boarding as well. Often, you don't realise until after they walk off and the alcohol smell wafts up. In which case it's seat number noted and quiet chat prior to t/o.
LRH Someone who gets pax what?? and they walk off??? and a quiet chat?...did you start flying yesterday?
LRH Someone who gets pax what?? and they walk off??? and a quiet chat?...did you start flying yesterday?