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Old 1st Nov 2008, 00:58
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but everything from them so far suggests just a lot of hot air.
In fact, it suggests the complete opposite. What it actually suggests is a careful analysis of both the world and local economies, the likely impact on a change of NZ government on the regulatory environment here, and a spot-on analysis of oil price movements.

Only a fool rushes in when conditions are clearly not right, and only a fool perseveres with a single plan of action in the face of an obvious need for revision, given world events.

So far, Kiwijet have acted very sensibly. Credibility is ACTUALLY all about making the right decisions at the right time.
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Sound like there are some very delusional people out there in Kiwi Land, But seeing is believing , when I see a real Kiwijet aircraft the I was start believing…..

Until then keep living the dream!!!
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I was not scoffing at all remoak.

Good luck to anyone who can grow a market and create jobs for the lads. The next 5 years could well prove you and them right. No harm in that.

You seem to have a particular interest in this thread, perhaps you know a bit more. Are you able to enlighten as to how they will grow the market and not get work by undercutting on price?

As for the pax/freight combo, I hope they are able to learn from the Robert Inglis undercutting experiment. Not sure how much of his own fortune it cost him but he ended up costing a lot of other people a lot of money. Perhaps this may be a reason in part for some of the cynicism shown by other posters on this thread?
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remoak

You are a tad touchy aren't you?

From the "Scoop" article

We are planning to keep the base of operations as is in Christchurch with an initial fleet of 4 aircraft serving the cities of Auckland, Christchurch, Hamilton, Invercargill, Nelson and Palmerston North on daily basis from late November 2008. (Estimated)
This never got close to happening.

As a result of the change we have restructured our capital investment requirement to 35 Million US dollars. Our equity group has required due diligence be complete no later than December 01, 2007 at that time we will confirm our capitalization to the public.
Did they ever confirm the capitalisation?

A follow on media release will be forthcoming within the next 2 weeks to showcase the AVRO RJ-100 (ARJ) to the media.
I don't recall this showcase ever happening.

All words and no action or visible action, hence the hot air comment

It's over a year later and now we hear something new.
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146/RJ v Airbridge

You prob got sent this too!

AirDisaster.Com: Accident Photo: Mesaba Avro RJ85 N528XJ

Almost urban legend the story behind it.

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The 146/RJ is a great machine, look at the way you can treat 'em!

YouTube - Very bumpy landing
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 11:55
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27/09

If you had been reading the media releases, you would know the answer to all the points you have raised. All quite sensible and rational decisions when you understand the context. I only get them second-hand from a friend in the US, but they appear to be quite widely circulated.

Starting an airline is an incredibly complex and risky business, and most startups, including the one I currently work for, end up going in directions that only vaguely resemble the original plan. We were lucky in that we prospered and grew, but what we are currently doing has no similarity at all to what we intended to do when we started out.

Time will tell.
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gidday remoak,

you involved directly with kiwijet?
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Wellington has no curfew for the Sky Skoda?

Kiwijet is looking to take to the air, thanks to significant fall in oil prices making the budget airline economically viable.

Chief executive Patrick Weil told the National Business Review the Kiwijet concept was looking to fly again.
Oil prices today dropped below $US63 ($NZ117) a barrel, down nearly 60 percent from a record $US147 a barrel in July.
Some analysts say a fall to $US50 a barrel is possible in the short term.
Mr Weil told the business newspaper that as the oil price fell and the availability of aircraft increased, Kiwijet felt it could proceed cautiously.
By launching the airline Kiwijet as a cargo operator it could reduce the initial start-up costs and avoid the expected downturn in tourism brought on by the global credit crisis, he said.
Kiwijet will operate two BAE 146-300 QT aircraft, which can fly into 26 New Zealand airports without curfew limitations due to noise.
It has predicted that it will begin hiring 46 staff early in 2009.
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Come to think of it I cannot think of 26 airports in New Zealand that are capable of handling Part 121 jet operations?
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Old 7th Nov 2008, 18:58
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any runway 1200m or greater (according to the performance figures I found) so that should easily give you 26!!
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Best you read Part 121 requirements then, it is more than just runway length for ATO.
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