Big economic problems in aviation
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One of the best examples of cross-subsidies is Australia Post. It costs me 55c to send a letter a couple of suburbs away, and if I knew anyway in the backblocks of the NT it is still 55c.
I am quite happy to subsidise this.
Don't get caught up in User Pays for everything, it is anti-social.
I am quite happy to subsidise this.
Don't get caught up in User Pays for everything, it is anti-social.
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They all became just a little too greedy. Governments, Banks, Big business executives and top Govt Boffins. Now there is no money left in the jam jar for Mr and Mrs average to survive and the big wind down has begun. Very bad times ahead. The USA Presidential elections will help the cause (If the right candidate wins) as the most powerful man in the world at present is a complete imbecile and there is a strong no confidence vote in the global markets. Airlines globally will be hit extremely hard with only the lean and well managed to survive.
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Thanks Dick,
I really appreciated your comprhensive reply on what constitutes a "duplicated ATC system", plus your definition of what "duplicated" means. I am now so much the wiser.
I really appreciated your comprhensive reply on what constitutes a "duplicated ATC system", plus your definition of what "duplicated" means. I am now so much the wiser.
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Dick,
A couple of ground rules if you want the deadwood cleared out.
1.Anyone who talks in acronyms.
After the fifth acronym, ask them to actually state what the acronyms stand for. If they don't know all of them. Shoot them.
2. Anyone who uses any of these words twice in a sentence.
Vision. End to End. Focus. Worlds Best Practice. Client-centric. Learning outcome. Delivering the future.Our people. Going forward.etc,etc.
Shoot them too.
I reckon it will take about a day, two at the most, and you will be left with those who will actually listen to others, weigh things up, and actually make a decision.
They may not make everyone happy but they will be a lot better than the waffle and BS that masquerades as 'decision' making that we currently have.
Anyone else got some examples of favourite 'bureaucrat-speak' that means nothing but sounds impressive to the next level of Oxygen Thieves?
A couple of ground rules if you want the deadwood cleared out.
1.Anyone who talks in acronyms.
After the fifth acronym, ask them to actually state what the acronyms stand for. If they don't know all of them. Shoot them.
2. Anyone who uses any of these words twice in a sentence.
Vision. End to End. Focus. Worlds Best Practice. Client-centric. Learning outcome. Delivering the future.Our people. Going forward.etc,etc.
Shoot them too.
I reckon it will take about a day, two at the most, and you will be left with those who will actually listen to others, weigh things up, and actually make a decision.
They may not make everyone happy but they will be a lot better than the waffle and BS that masquerades as 'decision' making that we currently have.
Anyone else got some examples of favourite 'bureaucrat-speak' that means nothing but sounds impressive to the next level of Oxygen Thieves?
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Gulf of Pain, Gulf of Lies, Tonkin, Thailand, Carpentaria, Mekico, Persian/Arabian? Excellent fishing in Carpentaria Howard, I wish to be there for my sunset.
Back to the point, when will Australian commercial aviation management decisions be based on airmanship rather than minority group pressure? Dick Smith is nothing more than another noisy minority with enough money to swing policy.
Back to the point, when will Australian commercial aviation management decisions be based on airmanship rather than minority group pressure? Dick Smith is nothing more than another noisy minority with enough money to swing policy.
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FB,
I would love to wind you up and say I am posting from work, but I have to admit that some grape squashers from Penfolds are assisting me in my postings tonight.
And yes I have tomorrow off, unless my benevolent employer gets a dodgy result from the AIRC and decides that my ROSTERED day off is not actually my day off, but I am required to be their beck-and-call boy for the rest off my working life.
I would love to wind you up and say I am posting from work, but I have to admit that some grape squashers from Penfolds are assisting me in my postings tonight.
And yes I have tomorrow off, unless my benevolent employer gets a dodgy result from the AIRC and decides that my ROSTERED day off is not actually my day off, but I am required to be their beck-and-call boy for the rest off my working life.
max1, Businessweek had a look-see at what was a well run long lived business -
....commissioned the study, ...to examine the question of corporate longevity
Long-lived companies were cohesive, with a strong sense of identity...their employees felt they were all part of one entity.... case histories repeatedly showed that strong employee links were essential for survival amid change. This cohesion around the idea of "community" meant that managers were typically chosen for advancement from within; they succeeded through the generational flow of members and considered themselves stewards of the longstanding enterprise. Each management generation was only a link in a long chain. Except during conditions of crisis, the management's top priority and concern was the health of the institution as a whole.
...Long-lived companies were conservative in financing. They were frugal and did not risk their capital gratuitously. They understood the meaning of money in an old-fashioned way; they knew the usefulness of having spare cash in the kitty.
The Living Company
....commissioned the study, ...to examine the question of corporate longevity
Long-lived companies were cohesive, with a strong sense of identity...their employees felt they were all part of one entity.... case histories repeatedly showed that strong employee links were essential for survival amid change. This cohesion around the idea of "community" meant that managers were typically chosen for advancement from within; they succeeded through the generational flow of members and considered themselves stewards of the longstanding enterprise. Each management generation was only a link in a long chain. Except during conditions of crisis, the management's top priority and concern was the health of the institution as a whole.
...Long-lived companies were conservative in financing. They were frugal and did not risk their capital gratuitously. They understood the meaning of money in an old-fashioned way; they knew the usefulness of having spare cash in the kitty.
The Living Company
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Is this not a Rumor Network for Professional Pilots? Why is Australian Aviation's most embarressing fool, Dick 
Smith, allowed to speak here at all????
To the PRUNE bin should this GA propaganda go!
Smith, allowed to speak here at all????To the PRUNE bin should this GA propaganda go!
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Privitisation
I've seen electricity, gas, water and airports all privatised in the name of efficiency and competition.
Why is it that somehow I always end up paying more?
Why is it that somehow I always end up paying more?
One truck becomes two...
Back to the thread subject -
Trucking magnate Lindsay Fox sits down with Business Spectator's Isabelle Oderberg to explain:
(Extract)
IO: I also wanted to ask you as well about the airport operations. One area that obviously suffers when there’s economic fallout is aviation. I’m just wondering how you think they’ll fare in the leaner times that are around the corner.
LF: Well, the value of Tullamarine is about $3.25 billion. The value of Avalon is peanuts in comparison. So it’s cheaper to run and operate through Avalon.
IO: Are you talking to airline operators and trying…
LF: We’re talking to everybody.
IO: Trying to take advantage of it and push people towards a…
LF: No. We’ll capitalise on the downturn. All of a sudden they say well, it’s this. We can do for it for 15 cents on the dollar out of Avalon. Why do we need to go to Tullamarine? People go to Tullamarine, they’ve got to pay freeway tolls. They’ve got to pay parking rates that are something like twice that of Avalon.
IO: So it’ll be a good thing in the long run?
LF: Well, the first economic crunch I came across was in 1961 and I doubled my business that year.
Full article via -
Business Spectator - Driven by volatility
Trucking magnate Lindsay Fox sits down with Business Spectator's Isabelle Oderberg to explain:
(Extract)
IO: I also wanted to ask you as well about the airport operations. One area that obviously suffers when there’s economic fallout is aviation. I’m just wondering how you think they’ll fare in the leaner times that are around the corner.
LF: Well, the value of Tullamarine is about $3.25 billion. The value of Avalon is peanuts in comparison. So it’s cheaper to run and operate through Avalon.
IO: Are you talking to airline operators and trying…
LF: We’re talking to everybody.
IO: Trying to take advantage of it and push people towards a…
LF: No. We’ll capitalise on the downturn. All of a sudden they say well, it’s this. We can do for it for 15 cents on the dollar out of Avalon. Why do we need to go to Tullamarine? People go to Tullamarine, they’ve got to pay freeway tolls. They’ve got to pay parking rates that are something like twice that of Avalon.
IO: So it’ll be a good thing in the long run?
LF: Well, the first economic crunch I came across was in 1961 and I doubled my business that year.
Full article via -
Business Spectator - Driven by volatility
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Our industry is better served by people like Dick, that have the benefit of an above average intellect and the financial where-withal to sustain a challenge against the 'movement to protect us from ourselves (at our own expense)' 'government/big business in partnership brigade'.
Why do I have to pay $25 for a licence reprint?
Why do I have to pay $75 for a medical to be processed?
Why do I have to pay a couple of hundred every 2 years for an ASIC card?
Why do I have to pay $60 to do a practice ILS, even when there is no one else around?
Why do I have to pay exorbitant airport/terminal area charges?
Why do these fees bear no relation to a fair charge for the service provided?
Why are we charged 'user pay' fees when our operational behaviour is mandated by legislation to be so inefficient?
I don't mind paying for what I use, but it's got to be fair and reasonable.
I'm with you on this one Dick - Good Luck.
Why do I have to pay $25 for a licence reprint?
Why do I have to pay $75 for a medical to be processed?
Why do I have to pay a couple of hundred every 2 years for an ASIC card?
Why do I have to pay $60 to do a practice ILS, even when there is no one else around?
Why do I have to pay exorbitant airport/terminal area charges?
Why do these fees bear no relation to a fair charge for the service provided?
Why are we charged 'user pay' fees when our operational behaviour is mandated by legislation to be so inefficient?
I don't mind paying for what I use, but it's got to be fair and reasonable.
I'm with you on this one Dick - Good Luck.
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Beware politicians and gunnas.
Of the items you listed I don't recollect seeing much representation by Mr Smith - unless one counts drum beating on this forum.
Of course one can also hang one's hat on the work of others - and I am aware that OTHERS are pursuing the melding of the AVID and ASIC, the medical situation, and airfield issues.
In looking at the SoS and others fight to retain GA at Bankstown - did I see Dick's name?
I don't even find much relevant to that on his website. But, I stand to be corrected.
Not being critical but as I noted earlier this decline and economic disaster stems from Dick's time - it's nothing new. This thread is more a post mortem than a way forward
Beware politicians and gunnas.
I'm with you on this one Dick - Good Luck.
Of course one can also hang one's hat on the work of others - and I am aware that OTHERS are pursuing the melding of the AVID and ASIC, the medical situation, and airfield issues.
In looking at the SoS and others fight to retain GA at Bankstown - did I see Dick's name?
I don't even find much relevant to that on his website. But, I stand to be corrected.
Not being critical but as I noted earlier this decline and economic disaster stems from Dick's time - it's nothing new. This thread is more a post mortem than a way forward
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as I noted earlier this decline and economic disaster stems from Dick's time
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Good point - funny how economic slowdowns slow down oil prices. Although with my diesel one day it's Singapore parity the next it's up due to the mining demand as the goalposts keep shifting.
But looking at the long term AUD vs USD I'm glad I purchased my G495 when I did - and that I don't have a C172 order need!
Good point - funny how economic slowdowns slow down oil prices. Although with my diesel one day it's Singapore parity the next it's up due to the mining demand as the goalposts keep shifting.
But looking at the long term AUD vs USD I'm glad I purchased my G495 when I did - and that I don't have a C172 order need!