QF A380 LAX-MEL Operations
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QF A380 LAX-MEL Operations
There is trouble brewing over the operation of the QF A380 from LAX to MEL. The CASA instrument granted for the operation refers only to 744 ops. CASA has been instructed to not issue any more concessions and the current AIPA president is in no mood to grant any further contractual concessions either till certain sticking points in the current relationship with Flight Ops are sorted out. Allowances and the Regal Hotel would be high on the list! The aircraft is due to operate LAX-MEL in 10 days or so and there is no AIPA approval to do so.
The interesting thing is, the first reaction of the CP was to call the alternative president in for a meeting. Is it back to the bad old days already? COM members voting on the Exec elections take note. Son of Robin is back.
The interesting thing is, the first reaction of the CP was to call the alternative president in for a meeting. Is it back to the bad old days already? COM members voting on the Exec elections take note. Son of Robin is back.
All correct. However the president present or future cant grant a variation to the present certified agreement without a vote of all those who work under it taking place. As Paul Keating once said " remember if you build a nest of s--t one day you might have to lie in it". Couldnt happen to a nicer company. All the chickens are coming home to roost.
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"Allowances and the Regal Hotel would be high on the list!"
Trillions of dollars worth of capital gets stuck by "I want more lunch money and a hotel closer to wanchai".
Is it only me becoming more cynical?
Trillions of dollars worth of capital gets stuck by "I want more lunch money and a hotel closer to wanchai".
Is it only me becoming more cynical?
oicur, noip has hit the nail on the head in that you are ignorant of the current problems ie for the last two years, cabin crew have been paid significantly more allowances in each slip port than tech crew. this has happened because of GD finding a loophole in the Pilots' Certified Agreement and choosing to apply the letter of the law. Management started the spat and I don't have a problem with them squirming over the A3latey operation MEL to LAX.
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Don't worry Boeing,
Not long now ,all our problems will be solved when the new President and his company approved running mates take over.
Didn't you know every woe beholden to the pilot body is all due to the ARG!
My god ,if WoodI had only the same negotiating skills as the new President all would be fine.
My god, how dare a union actually stand up to management!
How dare they,we've only got ourselves to blame you know.
Once AIPA has won back to it's rightful Flight Ops Management branch office status all will be right again.
Not long now ,all our problems will be solved when the new President and his company approved running mates take over.
Didn't you know every woe beholden to the pilot body is all due to the ARG!
My god ,if WoodI had only the same negotiating skills as the new President all would be fine.
My god, how dare a union actually stand up to management!
How dare they,we've only got ourselves to blame you know.
Once AIPA has won back to it's rightful Flight Ops Management branch office status all will be right again.
So oicur, is your office on QCC/2 or 3?
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I agree totally with what Lusty Blows and a few other intelligent people on this thread have said. The Committee at AIPA needs to think carefully when voting for the executive. It appears as if Qantas have already lined up a new President + cohorts that are very “user friendly”. Every member of AIPA needs to take great interest in how their elected representatives are “representing” them and voting in the current election.
If AIPA returns to the “good old days” pre Ian Woods then god help the pilots. With the current financial crisis, now more than ever, Qantas pilots need somebody who is not scared to defend their rights against the company. Another reincarnation of the previous president would spell the end for many.
If AIPA returns to the “good old days” pre Ian Woods then god help the pilots. With the current financial crisis, now more than ever, Qantas pilots need somebody who is not scared to defend their rights against the company. Another reincarnation of the previous president would spell the end for many.
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Guys, I think the talk of the "Alternative President" being effectively a Company lapdog is somewhat ... er ... silly. 
Certainly the present AIPA administration is far from ideal.
But then I'd be in danger of showing my political viewpoint, wouldn't I? ......
Certainly the present AIPA administration is far from ideal.
But then I'd be in danger of showing my political viewpoint, wouldn't I? ......
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Really NOIP?
Wasn't he a Vice President under Holt?
I've spoken to numberous pilots this chap has "helped" as a union rep, when a pilot has to go to management for tea and bikkies,guess what?
His abilities as a negotiator when defending a fellow pilot have been reported to be like that of the AIPA lawer who was sacked, "Don't make waves, just apologise,write a letter and say you're sorry and you won't do it again"
Even when according to some of these chaps ,their case was very strong and easily defendable.
It appears to me that what was happening under the Holt Qantas sponsored junta was a systematic and systemic undermining of the pilots resolve and trust of the Union so when the final coup de grace occured they the pilots would have nowhere to turn.
Looks like we're about to head down the same road again.
Why do you think they, management do not want Qantas Group pilots united under one industrial umbrella?
It would appear that Airline management do appear to have their dirty fingers associated with the running of a few Aviation Unions in this country.
Wasn't he a Vice President under Holt?
I've spoken to numberous pilots this chap has "helped" as a union rep, when a pilot has to go to management for tea and bikkies,guess what?
His abilities as a negotiator when defending a fellow pilot have been reported to be like that of the AIPA lawer who was sacked, "Don't make waves, just apologise,write a letter and say you're sorry and you won't do it again"
Even when according to some of these chaps ,their case was very strong and easily defendable.
It appears to me that what was happening under the Holt Qantas sponsored junta was a systematic and systemic undermining of the pilots resolve and trust of the Union so when the final coup de grace occured they the pilots would have nowhere to turn.
Looks like we're about to head down the same road again.
Why do you think they, management do not want Qantas Group pilots united under one industrial umbrella?
It would appear that Airline management do appear to have their dirty fingers associated with the running of a few Aviation Unions in this country.
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it's spelt .... noip .... no one in particular ....
There have been a lot of ..er .. undesirable things happen in the past and I think that even Robin Holt has regrets, however .... who do you think is suitable as President?
Certainly, I fear a Möbius loop if things don't change. ( hmm a sentence with a self-fulfilling prophecy ..... )
Hey .. nobody wants to go back to the hope that the Company will do the right thing if we give in (cuz they won't) ... BUT ... neither do I think the current incumbents are doing much either. The eba8 disaster is eloquent testimony to a major managment f*ck*p on the part of the current AIPA administration ....
BUT
back to A380 ops ...
Is it true they are severely limited on the LAX-MEL-LAX sector?
Maybe there is hope for the ER yet?
n
There have been a lot of ..er .. undesirable things happen in the past and I think that even Robin Holt has regrets, however .... who do you think is suitable as President?
Certainly, I fear a Möbius loop if things don't change. ( hmm a sentence with a self-fulfilling prophecy ..... )
Hey .. nobody wants to go back to the hope that the Company will do the right thing if we give in (cuz they won't) ... BUT ... neither do I think the current incumbents are doing much either. The eba8 disaster is eloquent testimony to a major managment f*ck*p on the part of the current AIPA administration ....
BUT
back to A380 ops ...
Is it true they are severely limited on the LAX-MEL-LAX sector?
Maybe there is hope for the ER yet?
n
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An EBA is a contract.
Fair minded people will do things not covered in an EBA for the long term health of the company.
Unfortunately some managements treat them as a contract to be exploited. They try to twist and subvert clauses to 'screw' their staff. They will attempt to play bush lawyer with wording, as against intent, to extract any gain they can.
Ask yourself ' Is my management one of a short-term bonus driven culture' or are they truly interested in the long term health of the company and do they see me as an asset to be developed, or as a unit of cost to be minimised and as a resource to be exploited.
When you have your answer, you will realise what the prudent thing to do is in relation to the wording of your EBA.
Fair minded people will do things not covered in an EBA for the long term health of the company.
Unfortunately some managements treat them as a contract to be exploited. They try to twist and subvert clauses to 'screw' their staff. They will attempt to play bush lawyer with wording, as against intent, to extract any gain they can.
Ask yourself ' Is my management one of a short-term bonus driven culture' or are they truly interested in the long term health of the company and do they see me as an asset to be developed, or as a unit of cost to be minimised and as a resource to be exploited.
When you have your answer, you will realise what the prudent thing to do is in relation to the wording of your EBA.
Evertonian
As an aside...I watched it doing some rotations at Tulla today. From the distance I viewed it from, I initially thought it was a 733 side on, but that enormous bloody tail is a dead giveaway!!!
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Heard the QF A380 was on a proving flight Sydney -Adelaide and had to turn back to Sydney after being told there was a 35 knot crosswind component at Adelaide. Expensive turn back and that's with no passengers.