New B767's for QF ?.
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Wonder if QF with their technology drought, would ask for the 767s to have no GPS installed and the oldest most out of date FMCs on the market ?
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Isnt it a CASA requirement that by 2011 all transport category aircraft be fitted with GPS and not just the triple/double IRS system the B767's/B737-400's have now?
Sounds like a good solution.....lease new B767-300/400's, replace the older 767-300's and replace the RR B767's until the B787's are available etc.
Get decent entertainment systems, decent business class seats with sleepers on board and flog the B767's up to Asia again.
Everyone's a winner!
Sounds like a good solution.....lease new B767-300/400's, replace the older 767-300's and replace the RR B767's until the B787's are available etc.
Get decent entertainment systems, decent business class seats with sleepers on board and flog the B767's up to Asia again.
Everyone's a winner!
The 5 youngest QF B767's have dual GPS receivers integrated with Pegasus FMCs. Retrofit of GPS to the rest of the fleet would be fairly cheap but unfortunately the older FMCs are not capable of integrating with GPS and replacing them with Pegasus FMCs would be very expensive. A GPS receiver is embedded in the EGPWS and has a capability of supplying GPS data to other systems but the FMC limitation has prevented use of this capability.
Personally, I think that B777-300ER's would be a better option to make up for the lack of capacity until the B787 deliveries start.
Personally, I think that B777-300ER's would be a better option to make up for the lack of capacity until the B787 deliveries start.
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Going boeing - the 737-400s have the EGPWs GPS and old (albeit SMITHs industries) FMCs capable of integrating the GPS signal - only (apparently) CASA would not allow them to connect them. Even if the old 767s FMCs were updated, would they run into the same problem with CASA, or would dedicated GPS for FMCs need to be installed.
(Personally I have no idea about the system integration of EGPWS GPS input vs normal FMC GPS input)
(Personally I have no idea about the system integration of EGPWS GPS input vs normal FMC GPS input)
I don't know about the CASA problem - I was told by Manager Technical that the only way to put GPS capability in the older B767's was to retrofit them with Pegasus FMCs and that was too expensive to justify.
Going boeing - the 737-400s have the EGPWs GPS and old (albeit SMITHs industries) FMCs capable of integrating the GPS signal - only (apparently) CASA would not allow them to connect them. Even if the old 767s FMCs were updated, would they run into the same problem with CASA, or would dedicated GPS for FMCs need to be installed.
not going to happen
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Pure speculation, as you are unable to get old non FADEC 767's any more I'm sure Qantas will be unwilling to sign on, OGV was never ment to happen, only once orders were placed Boeing informed Q "No more carburettors guys!"
Another brilliant decision, PMC powered 767's........
Another brilliant decision, PMC powered 767's........
Redstone, the FADEC version of the GE engines became available after the first five B763's were delivered but Qantas management with all their wisdom decided that, for future aircraft acquisitions, it would be better to stay with the standard engine and have a common fleet rather that operate a mixed FADEC/non FADEC fleet (which is what Air NZ ended up doing with no problems). This decision appeared to be vindicated when the Lauda Air tragedy occurred with reverser deploying during climb out of BKK. The engine in that case was FADEC and a number of people initially were saying that it would never happen on a non FADEC engine. Subsequent modifications were applied to all engines (GE/RR/PW) irrespective of the engine management system.
The only reason that OGV was ordered with FADEC engines was that after OGU was delivered, Qantas purchased three second hand GE (FADEC) powered B744's (otherwise known as the "ugly sisters"). Therefore, having FADEC engines in the engineering system already, it made sense to order OGV fitted with them.
OGV also has a different Leading Edge Slat system to the rest of the fleet as it came off the production line just before the first of the B767-400's. Boeing had designed a lighter, simpler & more reliable LE Slat system for the B764 and OGV benefitted from it.
Bankstown & Lancer, you are correct - it is only the last three aircraft fitted with GPS/Pegasus. My bad.
The only reason that OGV was ordered with FADEC engines was that after OGU was delivered, Qantas purchased three second hand GE (FADEC) powered B744's (otherwise known as the "ugly sisters"). Therefore, having FADEC engines in the engineering system already, it made sense to order OGV fitted with them.
OGV also has a different Leading Edge Slat system to the rest of the fleet as it came off the production line just before the first of the B767-400's. Boeing had designed a lighter, simpler & more reliable LE Slat system for the B764 and OGV benefitted from it.
Bankstown & Lancer, you are correct - it is only the last three aircraft fitted with GPS/Pegasus. My bad.
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Going Boeing, presuming Qantas had made the decision to move from P&W to GE (-200 to -300) the Lauda argument is academic, the GE reverser system (PMC or FADEC) is worlds apart from the PW4000 (so is RR for that matter). The bonus for a 74/76 fleet with common FADEC engines is the ability to run them on the 767 untill fairly tired (egt margin etc) then de-rate, swap to a 400 and squeeze more wing time before overhaul. I agree with you on the fleet commonality/standardisation issue, just another wasted opportunity, but I digress.
-400 767's bring a training issue from an engineering perspective which equals dollars which equals "wont happen". More -300 er's would slot in nicely but with the onset of the current global predicament and the possability of reduced fleet utalisation-a long shot.
My money would be on the 777, with retirement or reduced flying of a portion of the 747 fleet.
-400 767's bring a training issue from an engineering perspective which equals dollars which equals "wont happen". More -300 er's would slot in nicely but with the onset of the current global predicament and the possability of reduced fleet utalisation-a long shot.
My money would be on the 777, with retirement or reduced flying of a portion of the 747 fleet.
