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Old 29th Sep 2008, 11:11
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sales spiel

had "One of the other Stationairs climbed through him opposite direction" without displayed traffic now that would have been more than a sales pitch eh Bing-le

cause it happens all round the world and sometimes ends in soiled undergarments or worse - tears!

I guess you are right - a sales spiel - or is it really a sale - if it is as good as FREE
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xinhua2????? The Senate doesn't sit this week. Conroy certainly didn't say anything about this last week. Care to post a link
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Ah, I now see that Senator Conroy has scuttled GRAS, going by the antics on another thread. GRAS and ADS-B are two very different animals, xinhua2.
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sales spiel

had "One of the other Stationairs climbed through him opposite direction" without displayed traffic now that would have been more than a sales pitch eh Bing-le

cause it happens all round the world and sometimes ends in soiled undergarments or worse - tears!

I guess you are right - a sales spiel - or is it really a sale - if it is as good as FREE
Three aircraft in near foremation... Hmmm, the voice in my headset would be repeatedly saying, "traffic"..."traffic"... and might soon be ignored

Mine is a different system though, I hav'nt got any experience with the "UPS Aviation Technologies (UPSAT) MX20 color multifunction display (MFD) in his panel" system - perhaps there is some form of electric shock through the seat ...
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Old 29th Sep 2008, 22:33
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Binghi, The real shock is the unsubsidised capital cost and ongoing calibration cost annually.
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Binghi, The real shock is the unsubsidised capital cost and ongoing calibration cost annually.
And what massive impost would that be? Your TSO146 GPS is pretty maintenance free, the ADSB/Mode C transponder is pretty much the same. Your altitude encoder is a biannual event for GA so what is new there?

Correct me if I am wrong but what has changed for most of GA? Nothing!!!

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Old 30th Sep 2008, 07:20
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Binghi, The real shock is the unsubsidised capital cost and ongoing calibration cost annually.
And what massive impost would that be? Your TSO146 GPS is pretty maintenance free, the ADSB/Mode C transponder is pretty much the same. Your altitude encoder is a biannual event for GA so what is new there?

Correct me if I am wrong but what has changed for most of GA? Nothing!!!
Ah, yes - thankyou for that Jabawocky

What happens when that electronic thingy is out of warrenty and gets the old 'wont work' problem - who pays for the repair, or more likely, the replacement cost/install ?

re GPS - I've had several fail over the years. GPS is good but not fail-proof ... plus, there is that little matter of GPS signal availability - taint much use having ADS-B if theres no sat signal
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What happens when that electronic thingy is out of warrenty and gets the old 'wont work' problem - who pays for the repair, or more likely, the replacement cost/install ?
Get it fixed like you should.
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Get it fixed like you should
Will there be an on-going subsidy for the life of the aircraft ?

How will the possibly lost GPS signals be 'fixed' ?
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Old 30th Sep 2008, 07:40
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And you an aircraft owner

Will there be an on-going subsidy for the life of the aircraft ?
I believe the same ongoing subsidy as for your transponder, radio, panel clock, ADF ..... and Avidyne

How will the possibly lost GPS signals be 'fixed'
VFR - navigation. IFR - backup navaid network coupled with navigation.

It's been a long day - your tongue in cheek brightens ones outlook
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Old 30th Sep 2008, 08:18
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Jaba VOR is reliable but you can't fly IFR unless you havev AD RAD 47 every year.
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Old 30th Sep 2008, 08:29
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And you an aircraft owner
james michael, it would appear you've finnaly acepted my claims about...hmmm, 300 posts ago, that I'm nothing special, just an aircraft owner and pilot

I note your posts are reading far better - none of the outright abusive nonsence anymore, names like 'dickmite' and the like. I had the feeling for a while there that you thought I was Dick Smith

I believe the same ongoing subsidy as for your transponder, radio, panel clock, ADF ..... and Avidyne
james michael, I still dont think you understand the aurgument I've put forward - the cost of avionics dont worry me too much, if I want something for the dash, I just go buy it ... my argument covers some concerns I have for the future of Oz aviation.

As I've written before james michael, just what do you understand, the impression I'm getting is - very little. I question if your even a pilot
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Oh Bing (M), you lighten and brighten all our day. Tonight is Greek Lamb followed by waffles, so I won't bother responding to your waffle as I have hated (since a child) tripe.

Dodged any GPS guided whizzy bombs lately? At least if Dick succeeds you will get an ATC alert when they are coming - although you might have to put a coin in the slot (user pays naturally)

Let me know if you intend to return to the thread topic. Your GPS security concern has been done to death, what now?
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Oh Bing (M), you lighten and brighten all our day. Tonight is Greek Lamb followed by waffles, so I won't bother responding to your waffle as I have hated (since a child) tripe.

Dodged any GPS guided whizzy bombs lately? At least if Dick succeeds you will get an ATC alert when they are coming - although you might have to put a coin in the slot (user pays naturally)

Let me know if you intend to return to the thread topic. Your GPS security concern has been done to death, what now?
james michael, I see your back to your old nonsense posts again

I think I've wasted enuf time with you james michael

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Old 1st Oct 2008, 10:43
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No takers!!! Heck, I thought ADS-B was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread -


When Gov. Sarah Palin signed the law creating a special loan program for equipping Alaska aircraft with NexGen avionics, the aviation industry heralded it as an historic event. Today that loan sits waiting for its first applicant.


Theres a bit more to it though, full article via -

http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories...80831035.shtml
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Old 1st Oct 2008, 16:26
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...the replacement for radar in less congested areas of the U.S. and for use in rural and Third World locations.
FB... exactly what Australia has become.
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Old 5th Oct 2008, 23:27
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FAA have re-opened the NPRM for ADS-B as of 03OCT.
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Old 6th Oct 2008, 00:33
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Maybe someone should tell them about following our lead.......

I reckon we could have a good shot at having a fully functional system before they even get their act together!

They need to ditch the dual system and just do what we are doing and subsidise it so the Yanky AOPA have nothing to complain about.

Maybe our AOPA folks here whoever they are could whisper in their ears!

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Old 6th Oct 2008, 05:59
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Maybe someone should tell them about following our lead.......
..............DME(A)
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Yeah good one FB , I'll pay that.

But nothing else!
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