Qantas Gear Failure.........Sydney
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Well if it only just happened it will be tomorrows news!
Nothing in the NOTAM's and ATIS reorting 34L & R Ops. Any more info? Surely not a total failure?
Nothing in the NOTAM's and ATIS reorting 34L & R Ops. Any more info? Surely not a total failure?
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Gear failure... lol
The gear was down and locked. However, there was a gear annunciator problem caused by one of the computers. However, the gear synoptic (or whatever they call it on the Airbus) was showing everything ok.
The crew thought they'd go through their checklists to be on the safe side and selected alternate gear extend. I'm told that this locks the nosewheel steering (huh? Don't ask me, ask Airbus). So the aircraft had to be towed off the runway .
The aircraft is relatively new, and computers are.. well... computers... so it's highly unlikely that this is a result of poor maintenance.
The aircraft did a few passes.... this also helped burn off fuel (less fire hazard).
Computer replaced... Problem fixed
Rgds.
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The gear was down and locked. However, there was a gear annunciator problem caused by one of the computers. However, the gear synoptic (or whatever they call it on the Airbus) was showing everything ok.
The crew thought they'd go through their checklists to be on the safe side and selected alternate gear extend. I'm told that this locks the nosewheel steering (huh? Don't ask me, ask Airbus). So the aircraft had to be towed off the runway .
The aircraft is relatively new, and computers are.. well... computers... so it's highly unlikely that this is a result of poor maintenance.
The aircraft did a few passes.... this also helped burn off fuel (less fire hazard).
Computer replaced... Problem fixed
Rgds.
NSEU
Last edited by NSEU; 18th Sep 2008 at 23:39.
NSEU said
The thing to remember is the process or organising and then towing an aircraft from the runway can take a month of Sundays, so if you think there is a likelihood of a tow being required then please don't be backward in coming forward and let someone know. This should minimise delays to other aircraft and reduce the likelihood of following traffic being sent around or changed at short notice
PS On final is too late.
So the aircraft had to be towed off the runway
PS On final is too late.
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The said aircraft cleared ILS 34L then went around due to gear problems....
Aircraft sent out to he south to get its act together. It refused to lower its gear and crew had to complete a gravity extension.
Landed 15-20 mins later on 34L .
Had to be towed off runway as a result of gravity extension.
Press obviously too busy reporting on the recent spike in margarine prices or something just as important
Aircraft sent out to he south to get its act together. It refused to lower its gear and crew had to complete a gravity extension.
Landed 15-20 mins later on 34L .
Had to be towed off runway as a result of gravity extension.
Press obviously too busy reporting on the recent spike in margarine prices or something just as important
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The(y) said aircraft cleared ILS 34L then went around due to gear problems....
Aircraft sent out to (t)he south to get its act together. It refused to lower its gear and crew had to complete a gravity extension.
Aircraft sent out to (t)he south to get its act together. It refused to lower its gear and crew had to complete a gravity extension.
I believe it was an LGCIU fault, but Airbus acronymns are not my strong point
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ID ten T error?
That's like the computer error that is so common. They call it an ID ten T error. When you write it down it spells id10t.
(no reflection on the people involved here)
(no reflection on the people involved here)
They cycled the gear several times?????????
We are told never to cycle the gear, it may cause more problems.
On a 777 if you get a gear disagree message you just go straight to the altn gear extension. Boeing do not encourage cycling of the gear.
To quote the Boeing FCTM:
GEAR DISAGREE
Land on all available gear.
The landing gear absorbs the initial shock and delays touchdown of aircraft body
parts.
Recycling the landing gear in an attempt to extend the remaining gear is not
recommended. A gear up or partial gear landing is preferable to running out of fuel
while attempting to solve a gear problem.
We are told never to cycle the gear, it may cause more problems.
On a 777 if you get a gear disagree message you just go straight to the altn gear extension. Boeing do not encourage cycling of the gear.
To quote the Boeing FCTM:
GEAR DISAGREE
Land on all available gear.
The landing gear absorbs the initial shock and delays touchdown of aircraft body
parts.
Recycling the landing gear in an attempt to extend the remaining gear is not
recommended. A gear up or partial gear landing is preferable to running out of fuel
while attempting to solve a gear problem.
ooohh touchy Airbus Pilot.
Ok, I just checked the Airbus 330 Fcom 3 and yes you are correct. It says to cycle the gear and if nothing then use Altn extn.
But cycling it 3 times?
From the Fcom A330
FCOM 3
ABNORMAL AND EMERGENCY 3.02.32 P 3
LANDING GEAR TS5861/FTO/jt/CR/
REV 16 (6 Jun 2005)
This warning appears if the landing gear sequence is not completed after 30 seconds.
– L/G lever . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RECYCLE
Recycling the landing gear, switches the landing gear control to the other LGCIU.
● IF UNSUCCESSFUL:
● FOR L/G GRVTY EXTN:
MAX SPEED. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200 KT
– LDG GRVTY EXTN . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DOWN
Ok, I just checked the Airbus 330 Fcom 3 and yes you are correct. It says to cycle the gear and if nothing then use Altn extn.
But cycling it 3 times?
From the Fcom A330
FCOM 3
ABNORMAL AND EMERGENCY 3.02.32 P 3
LANDING GEAR TS5861/FTO/jt/CR/
REV 16 (6 Jun 2005)
This warning appears if the landing gear sequence is not completed after 30 seconds.
– L/G lever . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RECYCLE
Recycling the landing gear, switches the landing gear control to the other LGCIU.
● IF UNSUCCESSFUL:
● FOR L/G GRVTY EXTN:
MAX SPEED. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200 KT
– LDG GRVTY EXTN . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DOWN
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So if you have a little time (and extra fuel), what's wrong with having a couple of tries? (Particularly if the QRH says "recycle", which obviously means it is not a danger to do so).
A wise man once said "Rules are for the slavish following of fools, and the guidance of wise men". (Thanks, "Starch")
This whole thread has turned into a wankfest. The crew had a gear problem, they dealt with it with a successful outcome - end of story. Who cares?
A wise man once said "Rules are for the slavish following of fools, and the guidance of wise men". (Thanks, "Starch")
This whole thread has turned into a wankfest. The crew had a gear problem, they dealt with it with a successful outcome - end of story. Who cares?
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No, what we would like is for you to get your facts straight before you go sprooking your pearls of wisdom all over yourself! Silly silly boy......
Gee Captain I guess you're wrong!!
Love it.....guess the Cathay Command course can't teach you everything can it??
......Gee Captain I guess you're wrong!!
Love it.....guess the Cathay Command course can't teach you everything can it??
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