The trouble with V Australia...
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See everybody wants to fake and pretend but me im tired of going in and outta the pen.I'm done with disobeyin the managers. One false move and ill be back in the yard.If i had a choice i wouldn't do it again(leaving QF).
QFcaptain is now on top of the Airline game like a hair wig.I've been down like niagra but came right back up like viagra.With all the money from the sandpit, I buy diamond carrots on the dialy basis, not the ones bugs bunny snacking on.The Breitling watch on my wrist has a clock,wait...watch.......................................... ..........................see I get better with time like a watch.
Point is.Don't go to VA.
QFcaptain is now on top of the Airline game like a hair wig.I've been down like niagra but came right back up like viagra.With all the money from the sandpit, I buy diamond carrots on the dialy basis, not the ones bugs bunny snacking on.The Breitling watch on my wrist has a clock,wait...watch.......................................... ..........................see I get better with time like a watch.
Point is.Don't go to VA.
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"Australians or people who can work in Australia? Bit of a difference."
Actually, when it comes to employment, there is no difference.
Eclan, who exactly do you work for? Does your company process and select applicants. Does your company pay a bonus to staff, or overtime, or expenses. Do your salary levels reflect different aircraft types such as narrow body, widebody. Short haul or long haul. Does your company formulate retirement plans for employees, manage staffing levels to ensure the operation continues as planned. Do compensation and benefits get modified according to market conditions.
Who do you think does all of this.
Actually, when it comes to employment, there is no difference.
Eclan, who exactly do you work for? Does your company process and select applicants. Does your company pay a bonus to staff, or overtime, or expenses. Do your salary levels reflect different aircraft types such as narrow body, widebody. Short haul or long haul. Does your company formulate retirement plans for employees, manage staffing levels to ensure the operation continues as planned. Do compensation and benefits get modified according to market conditions.
Who do you think does all of this.
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Slightly changing tack here but what's the story with the Boeing workers going on strike. How much will this affect V's rollout of the 777. The first one is painted so it looks like it will be here sooner rather than later but what about the rest of them on the production line.
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Or try $47,775 - $53,500 / 1000 hours per year / 9 days off!
Eclan - VA pilots have the "POTENTIAL" to earn a percentage bonus each year. Big difference to WILL RECEIVE a percentage bonus.
They've invited me for an interview - and they want me to pay to get to Brisbane and make myself available for them from 8am-6pm for their convenience - as they don't have a fixed schedule of the interview process!
What sort of FC.KED up mindset would even entertain those jokers? They are in the same sleaze league as car salesmen and real estate agents - and fair game.
Eclan - VA pilots have the "POTENTIAL" to earn a percentage bonus each year. Big difference to WILL RECEIVE a percentage bonus.
They've invited me for an interview - and they want me to pay to get to Brisbane and make myself available for them from 8am-6pm for their convenience - as they don't have a fixed schedule of the interview process!
What sort of FC.KED up mindset would even entertain those jokers? They are in the same sleaze league as car salesmen and real estate agents - and fair game.
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[QUOTE]What sort of FC.KED up mindset would even entertain those jokers? They are in the same sleaze league as car salesmen and real estate agents - and fair game.[/QUOTE]
Never a truer word spoken. However, regardless of how many times shonky deals are exposed and reported on t.v, radio, in the paper or by word of mouth......................some d1ldo/d1ldoes always fall for it.
Never a truer word spoken. However, regardless of how many times shonky deals are exposed and reported on t.v, radio, in the paper or by word of mouth......................some d1ldo/d1ldoes always fall for it.
Painted yes, but apparently it will have to operate in the inverted position in order for the Southern Cross to be the right way up!
Wirgin Blew: The strike is stopping work on those A/C still running down the production line. The A/C that are out on the delivery line will still get finished by non-union staff but with a delay of maybe 1 or 2 weeks depending on how good a customer you are.
CX is in the same boat, 1 of our A/C is sitting on the production line and not going anywhere while the other is being delivered but 2 weeks late.
Hope that helps.
CX is in the same boat, 1 of our A/C is sitting on the production line and not going anywhere while the other is being delivered but 2 weeks late.
Hope that helps.
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Yeh, look if i wanted to work for a charity given those wages, there are far more worthwhile charities outside of aviation that i would work for!
But hey, i live in Sydney and have a mortgage to service.
Bo!
But hey, i live in Sydney and have a mortgage to service.
Bo!
Actually, when it comes to employment, there is no difference
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undermined the pilots in the company and set a foul tone towards the pilot group with these new employees
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So has this HR woman had her arse kicked or no one particularly gives a rat's....?
I think you will find this is the new VB Group policy. There is the same attitude at PB
I think you will find this is the new VB Group policy. There is the same attitude at PB
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Dear Neville Nobody
Where does it say AirNZ doesnt employ aussies? Put your name in and you'll get an interview just like everybody else.
Australians have the right to live and work in NZ just the same as Kiwis can come to Oz and do all the work in the mines
As for foreigners coming and undermining conditions here, get real. What %age of Virgin/Jetstar/Tiger pilots are from overseas? And dont count the Aussies coming home from overseas either.
At least Freedom Air paid its pilots on a par with mainline Air NZ.
Where does it say AirNZ doesnt employ aussies? Put your name in and you'll get an interview just like everybody else.
Australians have the right to live and work in NZ just the same as Kiwis can come to Oz and do all the work in the mines
As for foreigners coming and undermining conditions here, get real. What %age of Virgin/Jetstar/Tiger pilots are from overseas? And dont count the Aussies coming home from overseas either.
At least Freedom Air paid its pilots on a par with mainline Air NZ.
waren9
Gimme a break!! Freedom paid the same as ANZ!!!!! Read some history books boy. Only reason that happened is because the boffins in head office realised that by gradually integrating Freedom into mainline they could thwart any pay advancements for the mainline boys for years and years. Guess what? ANZ and Freedom dudes get the same now- and it ain't that great.
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Where does it say AirNZ doesnt employ aussies? Put your name in and you'll get an interview just like everybody else.
The pre-89 AN had an extraordinary number of Kiwis in its pilot numbers - someone once told me it was over 20%. (I'm sure someone will set me straight and tell me that wasn't so.) But back then, when a mainline job meant was something to aspire to, if you didn't carry a Kiwi passport, you didn't even get an interview with ANZ.
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Anyone who goes to VA will get shafted. Just ask any long term PB/VB pilot what its like to work at a V company. If you even half what you hear your still going to get shafted. Its all run by the same bloke who runs the same HR engine room. Simple. If you don't like the pay, don't join blah blah blah, but please dont come complaining in a couple of years when your bonus has not been paid, or why you are provided meals at the hotel and cannot afford to hire a car to see the sights in XYZ, or why your leave was cancelled or why you are now rostered to conduct JEPP amendents, or why your upgrade is suspended because a foreign worker is taking a DEC position provided by his mates! You better have a thick hide to work there!
This circus is going to be fun to watch. "Roooooooooooll up, rooooooooll up!" All I hope is that VAUS is not going to be the straw that broke the camels back!
This is going to be fun to watch.
This circus is going to be fun to watch. "Roooooooooooll up, rooooooooll up!" All I hope is that VAUS is not going to be the straw that broke the camels back!
This is going to be fun to watch.
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Maisk Rotum
Its all getting a bit off topic now, but...
The pay is what it is because the airline survives on an entire population less than Victoria. It is still pretty good considering income tax paid and as a multiple of the national average wage it is better paid than any airline in Australia perhaps bar 1. Furthermore, they sure dont have to live in a sh*& hole to get it which sounds like what you've been doing. Apart from the last negotiating round when mainline A320 boys were threatened with section 7 (your tone suggests you already know what this bit is), the freedom contract has had very little effect at all on mainline (pilot) pay. Unfortunately the same cant be said for some other groups. F/A's in particular.
Unless you've worked there Maisk and know whats up, your opinion holds little value for me.
The pay is what it is because the airline survives on an entire population less than Victoria. It is still pretty good considering income tax paid and as a multiple of the national average wage it is better paid than any airline in Australia perhaps bar 1. Furthermore, they sure dont have to live in a sh*& hole to get it which sounds like what you've been doing. Apart from the last negotiating round when mainline A320 boys were threatened with section 7 (your tone suggests you already know what this bit is), the freedom contract has had very little effect at all on mainline (pilot) pay. Unfortunately the same cant be said for some other groups. F/A's in particular.
Unless you've worked there Maisk and know whats up, your opinion holds little value for me.
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Delays may be more than a month..... word is the shortest of these strikes in the past was 24 days. This one is predicted by some factory managers to go past 30 into the unknown
Not good news for VA.
Not good news for many companies around the USA and the world. The flow on effects of this kind of industrial sabotage is far and wide. Just like a little industrial disturbance in a small out of the way backwater about 19 years and 1 month ago
. The ripples were felt a long way away and for a long time.
J
Not good news for VA.
Not good news for many companies around the USA and the world. The flow on effects of this kind of industrial sabotage is far and wide. Just like a little industrial disturbance in a small out of the way backwater about 19 years and 1 month ago
. The ripples were felt a long way away and for a long time.J
s for foreigners coming and undermining conditions here, get real. What %age of Virgin/Jetstar/Tiger pilots are from overseas?
My point still stands about it not being a two way street. An Auzzie guys get a license, it costs a fortune, goes out does GA or whatever, gets enough for V Australia, only to be undercut by someone from a third world country with jet time, who paid bugger all if anything for a license not to mention Jet time and the rest.
If Auzzies had access to these markets that would be fine, but we don't. We can't go over to these countries and get the same jobs as the locals. That's the point.