Virgin launches to Newman and Karratha
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great news for carbridge, [bus company] they are picking up contracts left right and centre for perth domestic & international
Jets use aerobridges
turboprops make people walk
Ahhhh I remember walking to AN BAe 146 a while ago now..... the good old days where I was alot handsomer!1!!
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turboprops make people walk
Ahhhh I remember walking to AN BAe 146 a while ago now..... the good old days where I was alot handsomer!1!!
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Virgin the cherry pickers
Virgins foray into intra WA is a good fit for the Embraers but i was surprised they chose newman and Karatha first. I would have thought the markets of Albany, Esperence, Broome etc are more lucrative but as someone said in earleir posts, these markets may have competition restrictions, if so then clearly skywest?QF are giving commission on their monopolistic routes to WA govt
I read the VB interest in PNG and I also saw their interest in starting Perth- Sth Africa flights. My guess is the cherry picking will continue of Qantas monopolies/duopoloies.
If you think about it QF has virtual monopolies/duopolies on most routes outside of Asia. QF also operate most of their international flights out of Sydney. VB will continue to cherry pick and I guess some will succeed and some will fail. I reckon they have more chance of succeeding if they focus on international outbound from airports other than Sydney.
Bali is booming at the moment with Australian visitor numbers almost back at pre bali Bomb 1 levels. If VB or one of their subsidiaries do establish flights on these routes then the timing will be interesting when you consider that Bali Bombers are about to be executed....will the terrorists strike again in Bali?
I read the VB interest in PNG and I also saw their interest in starting Perth- Sth Africa flights. My guess is the cherry picking will continue of Qantas monopolies/duopoloies.
If you think about it QF has virtual monopolies/duopolies on most routes outside of Asia. QF also operate most of their international flights out of Sydney. VB will continue to cherry pick and I guess some will succeed and some will fail. I reckon they have more chance of succeeding if they focus on international outbound from airports other than Sydney.
Bali is booming at the moment with Australian visitor numbers almost back at pre bali Bomb 1 levels. If VB or one of their subsidiaries do establish flights on these routes then the timing will be interesting when you consider that Bali Bombers are about to be executed....will the terrorists strike again in Bali?
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Virgin Blue cannot cherry pickers on the WA routes as according to Western Australian toursim there are protected routes....
Albany / Esperance / Exmouth??? / Geraldton are all closed along with Leinter, Leornora, Laverton, Mount Magnet
All Jet routes are open to competetion......
DJ will and continue to cherry pick the best routes from Qantas, though I dont fly to SA anymore any new competetion would be great out of perth.... A340-200 just dont do me!
Albany / Esperance / Exmouth??? / Geraldton are all closed along with Leinter, Leornora, Laverton, Mount Magnet
All Jet routes are open to competetion......
DJ will and continue to cherry pick the best routes from Qantas, though I dont fly to SA anymore any new competetion would be great out of perth.... A340-200 just dont do me!
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word is that dj are about to pick up some of xr's newman contract work and that xr will reduce services to newman. this will certainly make dj's services more viable. it will also allow xr to deploy those aircraft to more lucrative routes or to use them as rescue aircraft for every second day when they have a breakdown...indeed their reliability on some of their charter/RPT routes to the north has been shocking.
As an atc, the last thing we need is more traffic in and out of those places. Broome etc is a frigen nightmare, we have all the helicopters/ coastwatch/QFA/ skywest/ everything basically going in and out.
I don't know how the crews do it sometime, i feel for them when I flood them with the required traffic and they are in the ctaf.
I don't know how the crews do it sometime, i feel for them when I flood them with the required traffic and they are in the ctaf.
we do the best we can with what we've got, and it ain't much. I personally don't really like watching jets pass outside controlled airspace nose to nose and watching 8 aircraft going in and out of one aerodrome uncontrolled.
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Wa Base
Hi all!
Very intrigued into the expansion of DJ into wa. for those people who already work at DJ, is there talk there of a Perth base for cabin crew? If so, will it all be done internally, how many do u think will go to PER? I would come home from abu dhabi to be in the perth base in a second!
anyways cheers for any news!!!
safe flying!
Very intrigued into the expansion of DJ into wa. for those people who already work at DJ, is there talk there of a Perth base for cabin crew? If so, will it all be done internally, how many do u think will go to PER? I would come home from abu dhabi to be in the perth base in a second!
anyways cheers for any news!!!
safe flying!
Expressions of Interest out for Tech Crew for the Perth Base. Only Embraer. It would not make any sense to not have a CC base as well.
The wheels move slowly sometimes in VB, unfortunately the TC and CC wheels also move at different rates. Get you application in at the very least as the positions would be advertised internally first.
The wheels move slowly sometimes in VB, unfortunately the TC and CC wheels also move at different rates. Get you application in at the very least as the positions would be advertised internally first.
Albany / Esperance / Exmouth??? / Geraldton are all closed along with Leinter, Leornora, Laverton, Mount Magnet
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I dont think they can, according to this document:
http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediafiles/...eviewintro.pdf
An excerpt from the above document:
Regulated routes and airports: As result of the 2002 and 2004 Reviews, two regulated route networks were created (Coastal and Northern Goldfields) and licensed for commercial operation to 31 December 2008 through a competitive tender process, along with one regulated route. Subject to the outcome of this review, the Minister may reissue licences to the incumbent airlines operating those networks for a further two years and continue the licensing arrangements on the regulated route. A third network that is both regulated and subsidised by the State has a contract to operate to 1 July 2008 with an option for a 12 month extension.
The Coastal Network consists of the following regulated airports: Albany, Carnarvon, Esperance, Exmouth (Learmonth), Geraldton, Kalbarri, and Shark Bay. The Northern Goldfields Network consists of the following regulated airports: Geraldton (limited access), Laverton, Leinster, Leonora, Mt. Magnet, Meekatharra, and Wiluna. The regulated route is Perth to Derby (Curtin).
Virgin can go to any of these places in a jet if they choose.
http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediafiles/...eviewintro.pdf
An excerpt from the above document:
Regulated routes and airports: As result of the 2002 and 2004 Reviews, two regulated route networks were created (Coastal and Northern Goldfields) and licensed for commercial operation to 31 December 2008 through a competitive tender process, along with one regulated route. Subject to the outcome of this review, the Minister may reissue licences to the incumbent airlines operating those networks for a further two years and continue the licensing arrangements on the regulated route. A third network that is both regulated and subsidised by the State has a contract to operate to 1 July 2008 with an option for a 12 month extension.
The Coastal Network consists of the following regulated airports: Albany, Carnarvon, Esperance, Exmouth (Learmonth), Geraldton, Kalbarri, and Shark Bay. The Northern Goldfields Network consists of the following regulated airports: Geraldton (limited access), Laverton, Leinster, Leonora, Mt. Magnet, Meekatharra, and Wiluna. The regulated route is Perth to Derby (Curtin).
About time!!
hahahaha 
unfortunately it is!
Interesting they went double daily but it'll work, PERFECT for people coming up for the day for business reasons etc.
Also there are ALOT of people that have to pay for their own fares as fly in fly out so they will fly Virgin Blue.
Hell i've booked a few flights with them, $378 return....who could complain? compared to Qantas which is atleast $450 return.
Was suprised especially with XR now flying here once on Tuesdays, twice on Wednesdays and with their little codeshare thing with DJ but then again XR has a contract.
Virgin will have no problem picking up some sort of contract and the public wont hesitate to fly them as it's cheaper and now gives us another choice in the afternoon to fly to Perth.
Been good for Karratha lately, Qantas going twice weekly to Brisbane, and the 2 days they fly are VERY convenient for Fly in Fly out workers as most start Wednesdays and finish Thursday mornings.
XR going to 2 flights on Wed's
And Virign going double daily Mon-Fri and once a day on Sat/Sun.
The demand is there so glad we finally have some competition and hopefully we may see fares drop a little. Qantas just rape us, $1200 return around Xmas compared to Virigns $408 on the same dates.
Once the new runway is open, it's been rumoured Rio Tinto and Woodside will sign deals with an airline (obviously QF/DJ) to fly KTA-SYD, KTA-MEL and KTA-ADL for their fly in fly out work force, to save on costs and to save "Fatigue" as it's playing a huge effect especially those who finish a 6am on a Thurs and then don't arrive in Sydney till 10pm. Will be interesting to see what develops anyway. Also once complete the KTA-BNE leg wont be weight restricted.
Very very happy!!
Can't wait for the Karachi overnighters - look out Trawlers! (if it's still in business)
unfortunately it is!Interesting they went double daily but it'll work, PERFECT for people coming up for the day for business reasons etc.
Also there are ALOT of people that have to pay for their own fares as fly in fly out so they will fly Virgin Blue.
Hell i've booked a few flights with them, $378 return....who could complain? compared to Qantas which is atleast $450 return.
Was suprised especially with XR now flying here once on Tuesdays, twice on Wednesdays and with their little codeshare thing with DJ but then again XR has a contract.
Virgin will have no problem picking up some sort of contract and the public wont hesitate to fly them as it's cheaper and now gives us another choice in the afternoon to fly to Perth.
Been good for Karratha lately, Qantas going twice weekly to Brisbane, and the 2 days they fly are VERY convenient for Fly in Fly out workers as most start Wednesdays and finish Thursday mornings.
XR going to 2 flights on Wed's
And Virign going double daily Mon-Fri and once a day on Sat/Sun.
The demand is there so glad we finally have some competition and hopefully we may see fares drop a little. Qantas just rape us, $1200 return around Xmas compared to Virigns $408 on the same dates.
Once the new runway is open, it's been rumoured Rio Tinto and Woodside will sign deals with an airline (obviously QF/DJ) to fly KTA-SYD, KTA-MEL and KTA-ADL for their fly in fly out work force, to save on costs and to save "Fatigue" as it's playing a huge effect especially those who finish a 6am on a Thurs and then don't arrive in Sydney till 10pm. Will be interesting to see what develops anyway. Also once complete the KTA-BNE leg wont be weight restricted.
Very very happy!!
Also as has been said, DJ cant just fly anywhere in WA. Most airports have ridiculous competition limitations and are only allowed certain amount of flights and certain aircraft hence why no one is flying to Geraldton other than XR. Which would be another good destination, but not sure if the E190 would be allowed to fly the route.
Not quite true. Skippers and Skywest were both allowed to operate Geraldton but Skippers pulled out because why go head to head on RPT when you can half fill a Bras on a contract run and get paid for the WHOLE aircraft.
Learmonth (Exmouth) is interesting. The regulation relates to NON JET ROUTES. Skywest run the F100 up there so DJ should be allowed to put on an E Jet. The whole regulated routes thing is rubbish anyway and if someone went to the federal court to challenge it they would certainly have a good chance of having it ruled unlawful as it breaches competion policy - restriction of trade. Aviation is Aus is Federally legislated so the states really should not be regulating anyway. The only reason no one has challenged the rules is that it suits Skippers and Skywest to have a cosy little duopoly...two airline agreement anyone?
Learmonth (Exmouth) is interesting. The regulation relates to NON JET ROUTES. Skywest run the F100 up there so DJ should be allowed to put on an E Jet. The whole regulated routes thing is rubbish anyway and if someone went to the federal court to challenge it they would certainly have a good chance of having it ruled unlawful as it breaches competion policy - restriction of trade. Aviation is Aus is Federally legislated so the states really should not be regulating anyway. The only reason no one has challenged the rules is that it suits Skippers and Skywest to have a cosy little duopoly...two airline agreement anyone?
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Thats not quiet the way I understand it Nev.
The turbo prop routes are regulated and you can not fly RPT in anything on those routes (GEL excepted having provisions for competition).
Jet routes are not regulated so DJ or anybody else can operate into Newman, Karratha ect.
I beleive XR looked at putting the 100 onto the GEL run a few years ago, but that would of become a 'JET' route and therefore opening it to competition.
The turbo prop routes are regulated and you can not fly RPT in anything on those routes (GEL excepted having provisions for competition).
Jet routes are not regulated so DJ or anybody else can operate into Newman, Karratha ect.
I beleive XR looked at putting the 100 onto the GEL run a few years ago, but that would of become a 'JET' route and therefore opening it to competition.
Maybe this will clear up some ambiguity;
As per the above post,
There is no reference to jet or turboprop preference except in the original review in 03'/04' where it states;
and
As per the above post,
Regulated routes and airports: As result of the 2002 and 2004 Reviews, two regulated route networks were created (Coastal and Northern Goldfields) and licensed for commercial operation to 31 December 2008 through a competitive tender process, along with one regulated route. Subject to the outcome of this review, the Minister may reissue licences
to the incumbent airlines operating those networks for a further two years and continue the licensing arrangements on the regulated route. A third network that is both regulated and subsidised by the State has a contract to operate to 1 July 2008 with an option for a 12 month extension.
to the incumbent airlines operating those networks for a further two years and continue the licensing arrangements on the regulated route. A third network that is both regulated and subsidised by the State has a contract to operate to 1 July 2008 with an option for a 12 month extension.
The Coastal Network consists of the following regulated airports: Albany, Carnarvon, Esperance, Exmouth (Learmonth), Geraldton, Kalbarri, and Shark Bay. The Northern Goldfields Network consists of the following regulated airports: Geraldton (limited access), Laverton, Leinster, Leonora, Mt. Magnet, Meekatharra, and Wiluna. The regulated route is Perth to Derby (Curtin).
There is no reference to jet or turboprop preference except in the original review in 03'/04' where it states;
Offer Skywest Airlines a two-year exclusive licence to operate
services from Perth to Carnarvon, Exmouth, Albany and Esperance,
subject to providing ongoing services for Leinster and Leonora and
acceptable service standards and fare structures.services from Perth to Carnarvon, Exmouth, Albany and Esperance,
subject to providing ongoing services for Leinster and Leonora and
and
Jet route services between Perth and Kalgoorlie, Port Hedland, Karratha and Broome would not be subject to any competition restraint.
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Been good for Karratha lately, Qantas going twice weekly to Brisbane, and the 2 days they fly are VERY convenient for Fly in Fly out workers as most start Wednesdays and finish Thursday mornings.
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Prediction: Jet service for YGEL
Wonder how long GEL will remain a "turboprop" port once construction of the new radio telescope array begins?
www.ska.gov.au
Predictions are that astronomy students alone will account for 1,500 visits to YGEL per annum.
Not everything big is related to digging iron ore out of the ground!
www.ska.gov.au
Predictions are that astronomy students alone will account for 1,500 visits to YGEL per annum.
Not everything big is related to digging iron ore out of the ground!