Aus. Security Screening Review
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Aus. Security Screening Review
Those who have visited the DOTAR's (or whatever they're called now) website over the past few months may have noticed that there is a review of airport security screening currently underway. Since I last visited the site it has been updated to include how to make submissions and what the terms of reference are etc.
The following link will take you to the relevant page. Now's you chance to have your say.
Aviation Security Screening Review
The following link will take you to the relevant page. Now's you chance to have your say.
Aviation Security Screening Review
Interesting !
Submissions close on 19 September 2008.
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I'd like that sort of consultation ! 
On a more serious note, the review is very much focussed on pax screening, but to me (wistfull dreamer that I am), there appears to be some hope that the current idiotic ASICs for GA system could be modified. page 15
Submissions close on 19 September 2008.
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During the course of the Review the Screening Review Taskforce will conduct
comprehensive and far reaching consultation both within Australia and internationally. Some of the activities are listed below:
. visited airports and consulted with the aviation security industry at 21 locations throughout Australia;
. visited Canada, France, New Zealand, The Netherlands, United Kingdom, Singapore and the United States to consult with government agencies and private aviation security corporations;
comprehensive and far reaching consultation both within Australia and internationally. Some of the activities are listed below:
. visited airports and consulted with the aviation security industry at 21 locations throughout Australia;
. visited Canada, France, New Zealand, The Netherlands, United Kingdom, Singapore and the United States to consult with government agencies and private aviation security corporations;
On a more serious note, the review is very much focussed on pax screening, but to me (wistfull dreamer that I am), there appears to be some hope that the current idiotic ASICs for GA system could be modified. page 15
The Australian Government has moved away from formal categorisation of airports, other than designating 11 major airports as Counter-Terrorist First Response (CTFR) airports. A de facto ‘second rank’ of airports comprises those which handle jet RPT services but are not CTFR airports, and a further class of unscreened security controlled airports sits at a third level. The basis for these distinctions is not as clear cut or widely understood as it might be.
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KittyKatKaper,
I haven't read all the documents but in discussions the OTS people have indicated that there will be some major changes to the ASIC requirements including validity of the card (hopefully extended).
I haven't read all the documents but in discussions the OTS people have indicated that there will be some major changes to the ASIC requirements including validity of the card (hopefully extended).
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no point complaining about the current system and then whinging when you can have a submission on your point of view...either contribute or dont moan i say...
no point complaining about the current system and then whinging when you can have a submission on your point of view...either contribute or dont moan i say...
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absolutely - rule 3: Don't have a bitch unless you also suggest a solution.
Aside from the classification - it would really be good to have a standard for pax screening - just love the little bloke at XXXX who gently points aircrew to the other scanner, which according to him, "is not as sensitive"
Other inclusion could be a manners and courtesy module for screening staff - some TSA people at LAX are good examples of what we don't want!
Maybe the review could also clarify why my Auscheck processed and recently reissued ASIC worn at work is not acceptable for my GA endeavours..................apart from $ in fees there is really no valid logic.
Aside from the classification - it would really be good to have a standard for pax screening - just love the little bloke at XXXX who gently points aircrew to the other scanner, which according to him, "is not as sensitive"
Other inclusion could be a manners and courtesy module for screening staff - some TSA people at LAX are good examples of what we don't want!
Maybe the review could also clarify why my Auscheck processed and recently reissued ASIC worn at work is not acceptable for my GA endeavours..................apart from $ in fees there is really no valid logic.
The review addresses passenger screening only. It does not even acknowledge that there is a difference between crew and passengers. It is aimed more as presenting airport screening as a career choice, not at addressing Pilots complaints. They have already identified that the vast majority of Australians think that they are doing a wonderful job and you are not likely to convince them otherwise. Go ahead and write your submission but unless you work for a large organisation and can convince said organisation to put their name to your view, don't expect satisfaction in the near future.
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Where did I complain?? Looks like a sarcastic statement of fact.
I have submitted my comments, have you?????
Do I expect any results?
definitely not.
If you expect any change for the better, i suspect you have not dealt with a government bureaucracy before
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If you believe they will actually try and learn something from their review
I suspect their decisions have already been made.
Where did I complain?? Looks like a sarcastic statement of fact.
I have submitted my comments, have you?????
Do I expect any results?
definitely not. If you expect any change for the better, i suspect you have not dealt with a government bureaucracy before
. If you believe they will actually try and learn something from their review
I suspect their decisions have already been made.
Don't have a bitch unless you also suggest a solution
Maybe the review could also clarify why my Auscheck processed and recently reissued ASIC worn at work is not acceptable for my GA endeavours
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This does'nt sound right. Your ASIC is acceptable for GA endeavours. I would take this further if challenged in the future.
The whole thing is a
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company endorsed (ie logo at the base of the tag) Asic is valid - but only if the company endorses its use for GA or other activities.
So based on this Auscheck can run the search and issue for RPT work ....but unless the employer endorses other uses Auscheck and CASA require a new application...oh and of course the fees!
Still awaiting the Minister's (or designated flunky's) response ...maybe I should have used an address under 07/25 for a quicker response!
...............as for the (alleged) bitch you were once married to......maybe I was the one that remarried her..........or perhaps she had an identical twin!!!!!!
no correspondence pls - send it to her - I no longer have the waterfront address.
company endorsed (ie logo at the base of the tag) Asic is valid - but only if the company endorses its use for GA or other activities.
So based on this Auscheck can run the search and issue for RPT work ....but unless the employer endorses other uses Auscheck and CASA require a new application...oh and of course the fees!
Still awaiting the Minister's (or designated flunky's) response ...maybe I should have used an address under 07/25 for a quicker response!
...............as for the (alleged) bitch you were once married to......maybe I was the one that remarried her..........or perhaps she had an identical twin!!!!!!
no correspondence pls - send it to her - I no longer have the waterfront address.
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This is one of those pain in the bum scenarios where a company provides your ASIC but you want to use it for activities over and above what they have endorsed as being your operational requirement. Easiest way is probably to get your own ASIC and ask them maybe to go 50/50 with you. Or work for a company with a bit more foresight and flexibility who can say "ok, you're a pilot - we will give you an AUS card". That's the way I do mine anyway. It is only a simple case of assessing the need and issuing the card accordingly. It isn't rocket science and the system is hard enough as it is without Issuing Bodies trying to further keep a stranglehold on people.
Kelly Slater.
although not specifically addressed in the review being discussed here there are definitely changes looming for ASIC. Whether those changes will be for the better or worse remains to be seen. I am still waiting to view the discussion paper which was supposed to be issued by the department about a month ago..
Kelly Slater.
although not specifically addressed in the review being discussed here there are definitely changes looming for ASIC. Whether those changes will be for the better or worse remains to be seen. I am still waiting to view the discussion paper which was supposed to be issued by the department about a month ago..
company endorsed (ie logo at the base of the tag) Asic is valid - but only if the company endorses its use for GA or other activities
You would have to be very unlucky for this to be checked as it would require close examination.
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JT,
Certainly nothing on your card or even the online check that reveals what operations the card can be used for.
It is valid, unless otherwise cancelled by the Issuing Body, by the expiry date and location code printed thereon.
Certainly nothing on your card or even the online check that reveals what operations the card can be used for.
It is valid, unless otherwise cancelled by the Issuing Body, by the expiry date and location code printed thereon.
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JT,
The only way I see it possibly being an issue is that if an employer provides a card they may, rightly or wrongly, put a restriction that you can only use it whilst in their employ. However the way I see it, nothing in the regulations allows for that type of discrimination. The employer though can always cancel the card that they have provided. Once a card is cancelled, a new application starts from scratch.
If they are not allowing you to use the ASIC for GA activities, explain why you need it. If your card is location specific, a new AUS card can be issued on the basis of the original Auscheck clearance.
The only way I see it possibly being an issue is that if an employer provides a card they may, rightly or wrongly, put a restriction that you can only use it whilst in their employ. However the way I see it, nothing in the regulations allows for that type of discrimination. The employer though can always cancel the card that they have provided. Once a card is cancelled, a new application starts from scratch.
If they are not allowing you to use the ASIC for GA activities, explain why you need it. If your card is location specific, a new AUS card can be issued on the basis of the original Auscheck clearance.
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Most of the security personnel at CNS are pleasant and happy. They don't seem to have local quirks like PER or ASP. So, at CNS one can know what will be pinged and take the appropriate (legal) steps to make transit through the screening point as painless as it can be. Not free of pain but minimised pain.
However, one female screener, who isn't rude, nor does she decide to impose a different protocol to other places, does find it necessary to make comments on the number of bags one carries on a trip, or the number of shoes that show up in the cabin crew bags etc.
It's not her place to decide what a person needs to travel with. She probably goes home to her wardrobe, and sports gear, and fridge and pantry. We go to another bloody hotel room with bugger all.
However, one female screener, who isn't rude, nor does she decide to impose a different protocol to other places, does find it necessary to make comments on the number of bags one carries on a trip, or the number of shoes that show up in the cabin crew bags etc.
It's not her place to decide what a person needs to travel with. She probably goes home to her wardrobe, and sports gear, and fridge and pantry. We go to another bloody hotel room with bugger all.