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Any truth to the rumour that QF got this one cheap... because it was one of the test aircraft (which was riddled with wiring defects).
From C/N 26 on, the industrial processes are supposed to have been fixed so that full 'industrial' production kicks in.
And you're saying that none of the other 7 airframes so far delivered were involved in the test programme? Other than C/N's 001 (Airbus airframe) and 002 (Prince al-Waleed's bit of P-envy), all airframes - whether involved in testing or not - will be eventually delivered to airlines.
That's little different from other programmes - I seem to recall that 777 #001 is now plying Asian skies after being zero-timed.
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The title "onboard manager", a rather grandiose moniker, seems to be bandied about a tad here. Surely this refers to the aircraft's captain, no? Can't for the life of me imagine any other bod on an aircraft legitimately entitled to refer to oneself as such...
Or is this an exercise in self-stimulation and over-inflated delusions of self-importance?
Or is this an exercise in self-stimulation and over-inflated delusions of self-importance?
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a rather grandiose moniker
I don't think there's any confusion:
Captain = aircraft commander
Anything else = aircraft commander
And I still hate being referred to as a 'customer' when I am actually aboard any form of transport. If I am travelling from point A to point B, then whilst I am aboard the conveyance, I am a 'passenger' and not a 'customer'. I am a 'customer' of my local kebab shop, a 'client' of my lawyer and my accountant, a 'patient' of my doctor and a 'passenger' of my transport provider.
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Arrrr...Ego's are such a delicate thing!!!!
If you worked in any business and you were in charge of 21 staff and had roughly 450 customers at the same time for say 12 hours at least then you would be called a manager....
When you do the same job but on an aircraft then you are no less a manager dealing with 21 staff,around 450 customers and others which are part of the work environment you deal with...pilots,engineers,ground staff,catering and not to forget office staff.
This is not an attempt to dilute the responsibility and job that the aircraft commander does but recognises that because of the size of the situation another person is employed and delegated as a manager to deal with the things that are of no consequence to the PIC.
However,there are those with small and fragile ego's who can't handle any Cabin Crew being called a manager....sad and pathetic really.
If you worked in any business and you were in charge of 21 staff and had roughly 450 customers at the same time for say 12 hours at least then you would be called a manager....
When you do the same job but on an aircraft then you are no less a manager dealing with 21 staff,around 450 customers and others which are part of the work environment you deal with...pilots,engineers,ground staff,catering and not to forget office staff.
This is not an attempt to dilute the responsibility and job that the aircraft commander does but recognises that because of the size of the situation another person is employed and delegated as a manager to deal with the things that are of no consequence to the PIC.
However,there are those with small and fragile ego's who can't handle any Cabin Crew being called a manager....sad and pathetic really.
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Hey LL, haven't you and I discussed this before? 
I agree that the CSM is a manager but doesn't the term 'Customer Service Manager' include the the term? Given that their title already has 'manager' part covered I'm still mystified as to why so many refer to themselves or others as the 'Onboard Manager'. It doesn't appear in the FAM, I can't recall it in the AEPM, I've never read it in Memos to Flight Crew or FSOs. The only time I've heard of the term is when CSMs use it to refer to themselves.
Anyway, good luck to them. Herding 21 crew to be aboard on time, etc is going to be like herding kittens.
I agree that the CSM is a manager but doesn't the term 'Customer Service Manager' include the the term? Given that their title already has 'manager' part covered I'm still mystified as to why so many refer to themselves or others as the 'Onboard Manager'. It doesn't appear in the FAM, I can't recall it in the AEPM, I've never read it in Memos to Flight Crew or FSOs. The only time I've heard of the term is when CSMs use it to refer to themselves.
Anyway, good luck to them. Herding 21 crew to be aboard on time, etc is going to be like herding kittens.
