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Hotdog no need for the jacket, you are on the money. Ditto to SARMC, very balanced posts.
QF LAME's tend to have a rather misguided, albeit very high, opinion of their overall abilities compared to others - not just those abroad. Those 737 task cards would have been completely littered with CIR stamps, and (apparently) QF LAME's take use of their signatures pretty seriously so must take some responsibility...assuming they find anything even remotely related anyway. MAS are an easy target for this one, and coming from QF LAME's (many of whom have enjoyed supplementary income and good times whilst moonlighting on annual/long service leave over the years at MAS) the claims are a little 'precious'.
Yes I'm sure they went kicking and screaming 
Short Circuit, vent on the other thread...any more of that rubbish and the moderators will have to merge this with the EBA saga
Sunfish, what the? Your reputation going down hill fast
QF LAME's tend to have a rather misguided, albeit very high, opinion of their overall abilities compared to others - not just those abroad. Those 737 task cards would have been completely littered with CIR stamps, and (apparently) QF LAME's take use of their signatures pretty seriously so must take some responsibility...assuming they find anything even remotely related anyway. MAS are an easy target for this one, and coming from QF LAME's (many of whom have enjoyed supplementary income and good times whilst moonlighting on annual/long service leave over the years at MAS) the claims are a little 'precious'.
sacrificial bunnies that were sent to Malayasia with TJU
Short Circuit, vent on the other thread...any more of that rubbish and the moderators will have to merge this with the EBA saga
Sunfish, what the? Your reputation going down hill fast
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"Yes I'm sure they went kicking and screaming".
I'm sure you're right to a certain extent thosecotos. However, in typical Qantas fashion, how much notice do you think qantas gave these people before being sent to MAS? The answer is about two days. Do you think Qantas sat them down and briefed them on what was expected of them in the role? No way, thrown straight in at the deep end.
Entirely different matter when you are sent over to Boeing as a production inspector for some reason. Then you are made to attend before depature and post arrival briefings on what is expected of you, what to look out for, and what you experienced whilst you were there.
I'm not going to try and take the bullet for the guys that were in Malaysia with TJU. Hopefully, they've learnt from the experience. Once bitten twice shy kind of thing. I wasn't there, but I do believe that if you do accept a tech reps role with an outsourced aircraft then you can expect your name to be associated with that aircraft after it leaves maintenance. Hence, such deployments should not be treated as a "jolly". I have however, been to other facilities that Qantas uses for outsourcing within Australia and even then, I will tell you that you cannot expect to see everything that goes on with the numbers of people you have and the demands being made of you. To my mind, a terrible way to carry out heavy maintenance but, the bean counters love it because they percieve it to be cheap (when in fact, it's been proven to be cheaper in-house anyway!)
However, in the final analysis, I don't think that the MAS engineers should get off the hook scot-free either. After all, they're the people who actually are tasked with carrying out and certifying for the work. In the end, the buck does stop with them.
Unfortunately, I don't see Qantas reversing their outsourcing policies any time soon. Sure, they've cancelled the next two 737-400's to MAS. That's because they're under intense media scrutiny just now (too bad CASA doesn't apply some of the same scrutiny!) but, after the heat dies down, I have no doubt that they'll revert to the same old outsourcing game.
I'm sure you're right to a certain extent thosecotos. However, in typical Qantas fashion, how much notice do you think qantas gave these people before being sent to MAS? The answer is about two days. Do you think Qantas sat them down and briefed them on what was expected of them in the role? No way, thrown straight in at the deep end.
Entirely different matter when you are sent over to Boeing as a production inspector for some reason. Then you are made to attend before depature and post arrival briefings on what is expected of you, what to look out for, and what you experienced whilst you were there.
I'm not going to try and take the bullet for the guys that were in Malaysia with TJU. Hopefully, they've learnt from the experience. Once bitten twice shy kind of thing. I wasn't there, but I do believe that if you do accept a tech reps role with an outsourced aircraft then you can expect your name to be associated with that aircraft after it leaves maintenance. Hence, such deployments should not be treated as a "jolly". I have however, been to other facilities that Qantas uses for outsourcing within Australia and even then, I will tell you that you cannot expect to see everything that goes on with the numbers of people you have and the demands being made of you. To my mind, a terrible way to carry out heavy maintenance but, the bean counters love it because they percieve it to be cheap (when in fact, it's been proven to be cheaper in-house anyway!)
However, in the final analysis, I don't think that the MAS engineers should get off the hook scot-free either. After all, they're the people who actually are tasked with carrying out and certifying for the work. In the end, the buck does stop with them.
Unfortunately, I don't see Qantas reversing their outsourcing policies any time soon. Sure, they've cancelled the next two 737-400's to MAS. That's because they're under intense media scrutiny just now (too bad CASA doesn't apply some of the same scrutiny!) but, after the heat dies down, I have no doubt that they'll revert to the same old outsourcing game.
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The point is, there shouldnt be any outsourcing!!!
HM Melbourne is supposedly the 737 centre of excellence for the Southern Hemispere! The best job, at the best price, with the best support.
Why do they need to outsource?
HM Melbourne is supposedly the 737 centre of excellence for the Southern Hemispere! The best job, at the best price, with the best support.
Why do they need to outsource?
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Qantas heavy maintenance in Melbourne Tullamarine has a shortage of Lames/Ames so why are they not advertising for these people which would help keep the work in Melbourne.
I recall the last time they took up staff for these roles was in 2004.
A disgrace for Qantas for not helping to keep the work in Melbourne.
I recall the last time they took up staff for these roles was in 2004.
A disgrace for Qantas for not helping to keep the work in Melbourne.
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Well there it is, on the ABC news today. A investigation into the relationship between CASA and QF is to take place. A total load of bulls$#t as we all know, and more waste of money, when all they have to do (CASA) is to go back into QF logs and see what should have been reported and wasn't. CASA stated that the QF staff always imagined that there was cohesion between the two, (and I Quote) "there was never any hard evidence" well I suggest for a start you try some of the accident investigators from BASI especially some of the retired ones, who have nothing to lose, I am sure they will be happy to tell you about the aircraft that had a "incident" or a engine problem, or a airframe problem, or a avionics "incident" they would inventually get the report, and on their arrival in SYD would find the A/C in question was half way to LA, fixed and dusted by the mighty Q."She's Apples." I have a better chance of winning Lotto than anything being found by the investigation in fact I can hear it now "After the investigation was completed no act of collusion was found between CASA and Qantas Airways" well the best thing that will come out of it is that it could well frighten the crap out of them, (no public servant wants to lose their job, they might have to get a job that they actually have to work in) and they might pay a little more attention to QF and not be so sh%t scared of it.
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I know for a fact a certain confidential report into QF maint outsourcing has gone to the ATSB rather than CASA for the simple reason that the people writing the report know that CASA / Qantas have a rather cosy relationship..............
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Epilogue- VH-TJU
Qantas Airways Boeing B737-400 VH-TJU:
Withdrawn from service April 13, 2012; arrived Victorville, California, USA, April 27, 2012.
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Honourable mention and commendation:
Airline staff, from maintenance engineers on the hangar floor to those working in related support departments out of sight (but not mind): for having succeeded in keeping 'Currawong' at the highest standards of safety, serviceability and presentation during a time in 2008 when such standards were in danger of being seriously compromised, and even eroded.
Well done all!
The collective memory of events of that time is slowly diminishing and will soon be lost. Who will have the courage and ability to act to counter any degradation in safety standards....when these standards will have become the new norm...?
VH-TJU: Remembered by those who were there- and who cared.
Thankyou.
Withdrawn from service April 13, 2012; arrived Victorville, California, USA, April 27, 2012.
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Honourable mention and commendation:
Airline staff, from maintenance engineers on the hangar floor to those working in related support departments out of sight (but not mind): for having succeeded in keeping 'Currawong' at the highest standards of safety, serviceability and presentation during a time in 2008 when such standards were in danger of being seriously compromised, and even eroded.
Well done all!
The collective memory of events of that time is slowly diminishing and will soon be lost. Who will have the courage and ability to act to counter any degradation in safety standards....when these standards will have become the new norm...?
VH-TJU: Remembered by those who were there- and who cared.
Thankyou.
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I flew TJU at least 16 times (not many by all accounts) and she served me well . (And looking at the logbook, a few memorable occasions too! )
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They should send all their aircraft to Air New Zealand for heavy maintenance, 30% cheaper then here. Then if they have any problems, blame the Kiwis and tell the public that the engineers that worked on our aircraft, will more then likely be working on their own aircraft as well.
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They should of sold it to operators in Indonesia ... heck, they're still using 737-200s here for RPT services. 737-400s are considered the pride of the fleet for some operators here LOL!
