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From this afternoons SMH online.
Emergency landing
August 2, 2008 - 4:15PM
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A Qantas international flight bound for Manila has made an emergency landing at Sydney Airport.
An Air Services Australia spokesman said the pilot was forced to turn back to Sydney shortly taking off from Sydney's international airport.
"Air traffic controllers received a call from the pilot declaring an emergency and proceeded to give priority clearance for a landing at Sydney,'' the spokesman told AAP.
He said details of the nature of the emergency were not yet available.
Emergency landing
August 2, 2008 - 4:15PM
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A Qantas international flight bound for Manila has made an emergency landing at Sydney Airport.
An Air Services Australia spokesman said the pilot was forced to turn back to Sydney shortly taking off from Sydney's international airport.
"Air traffic controllers received a call from the pilot declaring an emergency and proceeded to give priority clearance for a landing at Sydney,'' the spokesman told AAP.
He said details of the nature of the emergency were not yet available.
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The only Swiss Cheese-type holes are the latest SMH story:
Qantas flight leak scare
Glenda Kwek
August 2, 2008 - 5:05PM
A Qantas 767 has been forced to turn around and make an emergency landing at Sydney Airport due to a hydraulic leak, the airline says.
The international flight bound for Manila took off at 1.20pm and landed back at Sydney Airport about 3pm after air traffic controllers gave the pilot priority clearance to land.
A Qantas spokeswoman said Qantas flight QF19, a Boeing 767-300 with 200 passengers on board, "landed without incident after the captain became aware that the aircraft had a hydraulic leak''.
"On inspection, engineers determined that fluid was coming from the spoiler actuator that was not evident before departure,'' the spokeswoman said.
"There was no safety issue at any time.''
'Plane was very low in the sky'
One of the passengers on the flight, told smh.com.au the flight was "very low in the sky" after take off.
"About about five minutes about taking off it was very obvious the plane very low in the sky. ... It was very strange," said the man, a frequent flyer who did not want to be named.
He said the passengers were informed by the crew that the airport control tower had seen "stuff leaking from the plane" as it was taking off.
'Very professional'
He said the passengers were very professionally handled, but that they had not been kept fully informed during the flight.
"For 45 minutes we did not know what was going on.
"There was an announcement once every 40 minutes. ...
"The plane circled about an hour and a half dumping fuel from the plane."
The man said the crew did not inform those on the plane why there was a delay in landing the plane, "only that they were doing a safety check".
Passengers disembarked from the plane about 3.15pm and were told that they were going to take off again at 5.30pm on another flight, he said.
'Not well communicated'
The man said the disembarked passengers were told to go through the security screening again.
First and business class passengers returned to the business class lounge, but were asked why they were using the lounge for the second time.
"It was not well communicated," he said.
The incident comes a week after an explosion blew a hole in a Qantas jet flying from Hong Kong to Melbourne, forcing the plane to make an emergency landing in Manila.
Qantas was yesterday completing checks on oxygen bottles on its fleet of Boeing 747s.
Glenda Kwek
August 2, 2008 - 5:05PM
A Qantas 767 has been forced to turn around and make an emergency landing at Sydney Airport due to a hydraulic leak, the airline says.
The international flight bound for Manila took off at 1.20pm and landed back at Sydney Airport about 3pm after air traffic controllers gave the pilot priority clearance to land.
A Qantas spokeswoman said Qantas flight QF19, a Boeing 767-300 with 200 passengers on board, "landed without incident after the captain became aware that the aircraft had a hydraulic leak''.
"On inspection, engineers determined that fluid was coming from the spoiler actuator that was not evident before departure,'' the spokeswoman said.
"There was no safety issue at any time.''
'Plane was very low in the sky'
One of the passengers on the flight, told smh.com.au the flight was "very low in the sky" after take off.
"About about five minutes about taking off it was very obvious the plane very low in the sky. ... It was very strange," said the man, a frequent flyer who did not want to be named.
He said the passengers were informed by the crew that the airport control tower had seen "stuff leaking from the plane" as it was taking off.
'Very professional'
He said the passengers were very professionally handled, but that they had not been kept fully informed during the flight.
"For 45 minutes we did not know what was going on.
"There was an announcement once every 40 minutes. ...
"The plane circled about an hour and a half dumping fuel from the plane."
The man said the crew did not inform those on the plane why there was a delay in landing the plane, "only that they were doing a safety check".
Passengers disembarked from the plane about 3.15pm and were told that they were going to take off again at 5.30pm on another flight, he said.
'Not well communicated'
The man said the disembarked passengers were told to go through the security screening again.
First and business class passengers returned to the business class lounge, but were asked why they were using the lounge for the second time.
"It was not well communicated," he said.
The incident comes a week after an explosion blew a hole in a Qantas jet flying from Hong Kong to Melbourne, forcing the plane to make an emergency landing in Manila.
Qantas was yesterday completing checks on oxygen bottles on its fleet of Boeing 747s.
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Swiss Cheese.
Big deal! Spoiler actuator leak, Swiss Cheese indeed.
'Plane was very low in the sky'
One of the passengers on the flight, told smh.com.au the flight was "very low in the sky" after take off.
One of the passengers on the flight, told smh.com.au the flight was "very low in the sky" after take off.
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Swiss cheese (the actual cheese) is about as useful here as is any reference to Prof James Reason's accident causation model....
would you stop using your car or get a more expensive mechanic if you had a flat tyre in your car?? Nope, you would pull over somewhere safe and fix it! Somewhere safe for this 767 was SYD airport....
would you stop using your car or get a more expensive mechanic if you had a flat tyre in your car?? Nope, you would pull over somewhere safe and fix it! Somewhere safe for this 767 was SYD airport....
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"Swiss Cheese"......what the????
As TMAK and Hotdog said....not really a major issue. Triple redundancy on the 767.
Sometimes I think the headline posters on this site are as guilty as our media of outrageous statements.
As TMAK and Hotdog said....not really a major issue. Triple redundancy on the 767.
Sometimes I think the headline posters on this site are as guilty as our media of outrageous statements.
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Swiss cheese
IF it is true that the frequency of failures on QF aircraft has increased recently (as many who should know maintain is the case on this forum) and IF such increased frequency is caused by declining engineering management (as many who should know also maintain on this forum) then the swiss cheese metaphor is appropriate in this case regardless of how minor any given incident is.
If, on the other hand, engineering problems remain within historical statistical norms and if engineering standards have not deteriorated, then the metaphor is not very useful in this case
If, on the other hand, engineering problems remain within historical statistical norms and if engineering standards have not deteriorated, then the metaphor is not very useful in this case
Blind Freddie can see an increasing amount of maintenance related issues.
Aircraft maintenance is simple -- you get what you pay for
Old aircraft need to be maintained by the best of the best, not the cheapest of the region.
Aircraft maintenance is simple -- you get what you pay for
Old aircraft need to be maintained by the best of the best, not the cheapest of the region.
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Give me a break. I'm getting a little tired of 'swiss cheese' - implication that Qantas are about to kill 450 people through major incompetence.
Think of something a little more innovative.
How many times have you been met by fire engines - me 2 times. No drama. Didn't request.
Oh lighties - BTW. But just as important to me.
Just routine.
Think of something a little more innovative.
How many times have you been met by fire engines - me 2 times. No drama. Didn't request.
Oh lighties - BTW. But just as important to me.
Just routine.
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The problem here is the media are like a pack of sharks and there is blood in the water.
QF30......serious deal, but most likely a freaky event and maybe nothing to do with Q maint.
The 737 door.......... non event really, just heightened media interest after QF30.
767 today, minor event. How many hydraulic leaks have there been around the world in the last 4 weeks, I do not know but its bound to be a few. So these last two events are just media fodder.
If you are a journo reading this, learn something for goodness sake! I think the public deserve better from the media!
J
QF30......serious deal, but most likely a freaky event and maybe nothing to do with Q maint.
The 737 door.......... non event really, just heightened media interest after QF30.
767 today, minor event. How many hydraulic leaks have there been around the world in the last 4 weeks, I do not know but its bound to be a few. So these last two events are just media fodder.
If you are a journo reading this, learn something for goodness sake! I think the public deserve better from the media!
J
Have a read through any month's ATSB incident reports, theres usually a few incidents/diversions etc from 737s, 747s, A320s etc (all OZ registered). Whats happening here is that the media is latching onto anything that happens which is out of the ordinary with a QF plane since the oxy bottle incident to drive up sensationalism/sales.
Pity that this is the sort of garbage that gets fed to the general public.
Side note - planes are generally very low during takeoff
Pity that this is the sort of garbage that gets fed to the general public.
Side note - planes are generally very low during takeoff
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Is it just the media blowing things out, or are QF aircraft really increasing in the number of faults per week? I'm just wondering if this stuff usually happens on a weekly basis, and after the first event, the media is focussing on QF..
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Those protesting about my reference to swiss cheese really do need to get over themselves.
You'll note of course that my original post was a cut and paste from a press release that had nothing in the way of detail.
The detail came AFTER my post. The heading of which had a ? after it.
Oh BTW.
Aviation professionals may not be concerned about 3 Qantas emergency landings in the space of a week but it could be reasonably expected that the traveling public [who buy tickets] would be.
Especially given the publicity surrounding the recent Engineering dispute and resultant collapse of our schedules.
As I said before.
Get over yourselves.
You'll note of course that my original post was a cut and paste from a press release that had nothing in the way of detail.
The detail came AFTER my post. The heading of which had a ? after it.
Oh BTW.
Aviation professionals may not be concerned about 3 Qantas emergency landings in the space of a week but it could be reasonably expected that the traveling public [who buy tickets] would be.
Especially given the publicity surrounding the recent Engineering dispute and resultant collapse of our schedules.
As I said before.
Get over yourselves.
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The plane circled about an hour and a half dumping fuel from the plane."
now THAT would be a story... why did it take 90 mins to dump 38,000kg of fuel (IF it was absolutely full!!!) at approx 1000kg/min ?
gotta love these six fingered banjo players who talk to the idiots in the media!
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"Air traffic controllers received a call from the pilot declaring an emergency and proceeded to give priority clearance for a landing at Sydney,'' the spokesman told AAP."
"Air traffic controllers received a call from the pilot declaring an emergency and proceeded to give priority clearance for a landing at Sydney,'' the spokesman told AAP."