Qantas to Decline as Jetstar Soars
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If you're going to quote me, then do it in context. If you re-read my post, you'll see that I don't argue with the concept that aircraft at the end of their reliable life must be replaced.
And it would be easy to take the stats you've produced and deduce that it was all due to maintenance - but life isn't easy and nor should statistical analysis be.
There'd be far more reasons for that kind of poor on-time performance than unserviceable aircraft/maintenance actions alone - Jetstar/Virgin have bad weeks too (losing out to QF), and their fleets are much younger and - so we're led to believe - more reliable. All these technical issues (MNL diversion aside - a unique event) seemed to have occurred since the LAMEs dispute started (and have continued since it ended), so I'm of the opinion that it's still a backlog issue, if it's an issue at all. Maybe it's just as simple as co-incidental occurrences.
There are many airlines around the world flying similar aged B744s and B767s who don't share the spotlight that QF has been unfortunate enough to enjoy recently, so I don't think it's type/age related.
So go off and find the reasons for delays you've informed us of, and post them here so that we might all benefit from USEFUL information.
Keg,
Just saw your reply - should've looked back before I wrote the first one
I hear what you say, but I have to say this; (god...I sounded just like a politician then) I've been subloading ALOT on QF cityflyer services to SYD in the past 7 years and haven't yet experienced other than the usual 5 - 10 minute delays that are caused by everything but maintenance. The longest delay was a 60 minute thunderstorm gate hold prior to pushback one evening. As for the appearance of the aircraft (and as I predominantly fly on the B767s, it's these that I'm referring to), I've noticed that most have been refurbished (can't say I like the new seat fabrics, but that's personal taste. At least they're fresh/new looking seats). Haven't had many IFE U/S flights - in fact I can think of only one where we were forced to read for our entertainment.
And sitting in J class more often than not, I like to sit back, watch and listen to the comments around me - and until it reached the media frenzy of late, I hadn't heard many bleats from the high yielders I was sharing the cabin with.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that although they're not the newest types around, the 76s are still a nice, comfortable aircraft from the passengers' point of view. No doubt they have to be replaced. And they will be from 2011 or so, which is only a couple years away. The 400s? Dunno, but they're not all really old, so maybe as the 380s come in, the older ones will go, while the newer ones stay until the B789s/B773s start arriving.
I have no doubt that the media-interpreted maintenance 'woes' will disappear in the near term.
If you're going to quote me, then do it in context. If you re-read my post, you'll see that I don't argue with the concept that aircraft at the end of their reliable life must be replaced.
And it would be easy to take the stats you've produced and deduce that it was all due to maintenance - but life isn't easy and nor should statistical analysis be.
There'd be far more reasons for that kind of poor on-time performance than unserviceable aircraft/maintenance actions alone - Jetstar/Virgin have bad weeks too (losing out to QF), and their fleets are much younger and - so we're led to believe - more reliable. All these technical issues (MNL diversion aside - a unique event) seemed to have occurred since the LAMEs dispute started (and have continued since it ended), so I'm of the opinion that it's still a backlog issue, if it's an issue at all. Maybe it's just as simple as co-incidental occurrences.
There are many airlines around the world flying similar aged B744s and B767s who don't share the spotlight that QF has been unfortunate enough to enjoy recently, so I don't think it's type/age related.
So go off and find the reasons for delays you've informed us of, and post them here so that we might all benefit from USEFUL information.
Keg,
Just saw your reply - should've looked back before I wrote the first one
I hear what you say, but I have to say this; (god...I sounded just like a politician then) I've been subloading ALOT on QF cityflyer services to SYD in the past 7 years and haven't yet experienced other than the usual 5 - 10 minute delays that are caused by everything but maintenance. The longest delay was a 60 minute thunderstorm gate hold prior to pushback one evening. As for the appearance of the aircraft (and as I predominantly fly on the B767s, it's these that I'm referring to), I've noticed that most have been refurbished (can't say I like the new seat fabrics, but that's personal taste. At least they're fresh/new looking seats). Haven't had many IFE U/S flights - in fact I can think of only one where we were forced to read for our entertainment.
And sitting in J class more often than not, I like to sit back, watch and listen to the comments around me - and until it reached the media frenzy of late, I hadn't heard many bleats from the high yielders I was sharing the cabin with.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that although they're not the newest types around, the 76s are still a nice, comfortable aircraft from the passengers' point of view. No doubt they have to be replaced. And they will be from 2011 or so, which is only a couple years away. The 400s? Dunno, but they're not all really old, so maybe as the 380s come in, the older ones will go, while the newer ones stay until the B789s/B773s start arriving.
I have no doubt that the media-interpreted maintenance 'woes' will disappear in the near term.
Last edited by RAD_ALT_ALIVE; 18th Sep 2008 at 02:08.
QAN has released its July traffic statistics:
Qantas Domestic (including QantasLink): Capacity +1.5%, traffic -2.4%, load factor 80.9% (-3.3pts on pcp).
Qantas International: Capacity -4.4%, traffic -4.6%, load factor 84.3% (-0.2pts on pcp).
Jetstar Domestic: Capacity +20.1%, traffic +13.9%, load factor 80.2% (-4,4pts on pcp).
Jetstar International: Capacity +44.0%, traffic +46.6%, load factor 75.3% (+1.3pts on pcp).
Yields: Domestic yields in July fell 3% on pcp, and total international yields (ex-currency) were 6.3% higher in July on pcp.
Qantas Domestic (including QantasLink): Capacity +1.5%, traffic -2.4%, load factor 80.9% (-3.3pts on pcp).
Qantas International: Capacity -4.4%, traffic -4.6%, load factor 84.3% (-0.2pts on pcp).
Jetstar Domestic: Capacity +20.1%, traffic +13.9%, load factor 80.2% (-4,4pts on pcp).
Jetstar International: Capacity +44.0%, traffic +46.6%, load factor 75.3% (+1.3pts on pcp).
Yields: Domestic yields in July fell 3% on pcp, and total international yields (ex-currency) were 6.3% higher in July on pcp.
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Jetstar International certianly has had quite a nice boost there. Besides the CHC, DPS runs, what other routes have now become profitable for JQ international?, anyone know?
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Well Dodgy you tell me, since you're apparently the self appointed champion of Jetstar's virtue,when does "code sharing " remain just a standard commercial agreement and when does it become an accounting method to distort stats? 
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Its all about choice for passengers and for us pilot types its all about allegiance to our current employer and route network because none of us want to only fly to a couple of boring destinations and have s&%t slips or earn any less than we do at the moment.
Thats certainly how it is for me anyway.
I really believe there is enough flying out there for all of us and its important that pax have a choice. Its been the same deal on ships and trains forever that some people want the lowest fare possible( because thats all they can afford ) whereas others want a bit of luxury and to be treated like royalty ( because they can afford it ) and then you've got people in between who think economy on a premium airline is a good compromise between the two.
Our respective employers know this. Where the waters get muddied is when the hierarchy threaten the pilots with swapping routes because one group will do it cheaper. This is just industrial bulls&%t because its the paying public who will ultimately decide how they want to be transported. Like the Japanese and also a lot of Australians. F/J class is pretty full on the majority of sectors currently operated and there is a lot of buzz out in the market for Jetstar by people who want a cheap holiday ( versus no holiday at all ) to one of these traditional holiday destinations. If an airline doesn't have the vehicle ( Jetstar ) to meet that need then they miss out on the business. So in my view it makes good sense to have that option within your business.
I also believe that CEO's are more aligned to their current role than screwing us over. Joyce now has a resposibility to the Qantas group ( which includes Jetstar ) and to provide a service that the fare paying public want. Jetstar was his baby because he was given that role. I reckon Qantas will become his baby now because thats who pays his food bill.
Its been said so many times before on this post that Qantas will send the aeroplanes where they're needed and that has f*#k all to do with who is flying them.
I work for Qantas and I want things to stay that way. I have my own reasons for this desire and so do pax.
You might have noticed that the A380 is in Qantas colours and has a substantial first/business and premium economy section. Thats what the market demanded. It was not based on pilots wages.
Why don't we all just enjoy our flying and give each other a bit of a break.
GUARD
Thats certainly how it is for me anyway.
I really believe there is enough flying out there for all of us and its important that pax have a choice. Its been the same deal on ships and trains forever that some people want the lowest fare possible( because thats all they can afford ) whereas others want a bit of luxury and to be treated like royalty ( because they can afford it ) and then you've got people in between who think economy on a premium airline is a good compromise between the two.
Our respective employers know this. Where the waters get muddied is when the hierarchy threaten the pilots with swapping routes because one group will do it cheaper. This is just industrial bulls&%t because its the paying public who will ultimately decide how they want to be transported. Like the Japanese and also a lot of Australians. F/J class is pretty full on the majority of sectors currently operated and there is a lot of buzz out in the market for Jetstar by people who want a cheap holiday ( versus no holiday at all ) to one of these traditional holiday destinations. If an airline doesn't have the vehicle ( Jetstar ) to meet that need then they miss out on the business. So in my view it makes good sense to have that option within your business.
I also believe that CEO's are more aligned to their current role than screwing us over. Joyce now has a resposibility to the Qantas group ( which includes Jetstar ) and to provide a service that the fare paying public want. Jetstar was his baby because he was given that role. I reckon Qantas will become his baby now because thats who pays his food bill.
Its been said so many times before on this post that Qantas will send the aeroplanes where they're needed and that has f*#k all to do with who is flying them.
I work for Qantas and I want things to stay that way. I have my own reasons for this desire and so do pax.
You might have noticed that the A380 is in Qantas colours and has a substantial first/business and premium economy section. Thats what the market demanded. It was not based on pilots wages.
Why don't we all just enjoy our flying and give each other a bit of a break.
GUARD
How much freight do they bring out of CHC?
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G'day Ken, sorry but I should have explained more. When J* replaced QF on the CHC services they couldn't take the offered freight. QF now run a dedicated freighter service AKL-CHC-SYD a few nights a week to carry it.
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Keg. who and in what is flying that run and is it Monday to Thursday night?? DHL run the B727F VH-DHE AKL-SYD-AKL 4 nights a week plus usually on a saturday morning. Do QF chuck their bags onto this aircraft. From what i hear getting space on this aircraft is tight
When J* replaced QF on the CHC services they couldn't take the offered freight. QF now run a dedicated freighter service AKL-CHC-SYD a few nights a week to carry it.
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Wessex, there is a QF 767 'freighter' (mainline aircraft with just underfloor cargo) that runs SYD-AKL-CHC-SYD on certain nights of the week. I don't know if it's daily or not. Crew fly AKL-CHC-SYD arriving SYD at 0605 local.
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Wessex, there is a QF 767 'freighter' (mainline aircraft with just underfloor
cargo) that runs SYD-AKL-CHC-SYD on certain nights of the week. I don't know if it's daily or not. Crew fly AKL-CHC-SYD arriving SYD at 0605 local.
Did you Know!!!
Our QF colleagues have a flight attendant for this freighter as part of EBA 7.1 Flight attendant for 2 pilots, better ratio than first class.Obviously to busy to work the galley!!!!
cargo) that runs SYD-AKL-CHC-SYD on certain nights of the week. I don't know if it's daily or not. Crew fly AKL-CHC-SYD arriving SYD at 0605 local.
Did you Know!!!
Our QF colleagues have a flight attendant for this freighter as part of EBA 7.1 Flight attendant for 2 pilots, better ratio than first class.Obviously to busy to work the galley!!!!
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How quickly Things Change
Fuel is at an 18 month low,the Austraian dollar has slumped and the world is headed for recession.
Looks like the LCC business model is about to be resuscitated.
Inbound tourism should improve and outbound will soften.
Talk about a state of flux.(or should that be fux?)
Looks like the LCC business model is about to be resuscitated.
Inbound tourism should improve and outbound will soften.
Talk about a state of flux.(or should that be fux?)