TIBA?
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TIBA safe, then no radar required!!!
As an ex controller, I must make the following very cynical statement about TIBA operations.
If TIBA is supposed to be safe (with no traffic restrictions, pilots make their own decision to enter and self separate etc); then why have ATC at all?
Make all airspace TIBA (because Airservices and CASA believe and tell the flying public and politicians that it is safe) and let everyone self separate. It would surely help reduce costs!!!!!!!!!
If TIBA is supposed to be safe (with no traffic restrictions, pilots make their own decision to enter and self separate etc); then why have ATC at all?
Make all airspace TIBA (because Airservices and CASA believe and tell the flying public and politicians that it is safe) and let everyone self separate. It would surely help reduce costs!!!!!!!!!
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Somebody at work here in Canukastan forwarded me the link to this Courier Mail article. Wow.
Good luck guys and all the best The rest of the world appears to be watching.
Good luck guys and all the best The rest of the world appears to be watching.
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Do you get a discount when operating in TIBA?
So if you're flying along enroute (IFR) and are then advised that the airspace you are in is shortly becoming TIBA. Do you then get a reduced cost of the airspace if you remain in TIBA or a you still paying full price.
On several occassions we (the crew) have elected to climb to remain outside TIBA. Purely a safety consideration though.
TIBA = Traffic Incidents Barely Avoided
On several occassions we (the crew) have elected to climb to remain outside TIBA. Purely a safety consideration though.
TIBA = Traffic Incidents Barely Avoided
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Quokka,
Should they also explain when they fly into HVB, BNA, etc that they would be arriving into uncontrolled airspace too?? Bet 99.999% of the pax wouldn't know that either!
Times like this, whilst Joe Public should know it's probably best for the continuation of the industry they they don't.
Does that make TIBA acceptable NOT in the SLIGHTEST! But would mass hysteria and 0 travelling public improve the situation... maybe by eliminating all RPT and CHTR being no pax an all, but that isn't the right solution is it!
Should they also explain when they fly into HVB, BNA, etc that they would be arriving into uncontrolled airspace too?? Bet 99.999% of the pax wouldn't know that either!
Times like this, whilst Joe Public should know it's probably best for the continuation of the industry they they don't.
Does that make TIBA acceptable NOT in the SLIGHTEST! But would mass hysteria and 0 travelling public improve the situation... maybe by eliminating all RPT and CHTR being no pax an all, but that isn't the right solution is it!
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From my experience as an ATC for the last decade or so, I would have to agree that the general public have very little idea of what or how we do our job. However, I expect that most would understand that not having a controller watching over their aeroplane when there should be is not a good situation. There doesn't seem to be much happening to correct the staffing situation requiring the use of TIBA, so perhaps a little mass hysteria amongst the general public might encourage some action. Then again, maybe not.
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...but you will only find the 1 NM stuff in the Orstralian MATS AFAIK, the ICAO standard is based on the probability model, Oz complies with stuff like the cross-track tables, doesn't with that magic 1 NM. And I agree, all bets are off in the TIBA.
"Lateral separation shall be applied so that the distance between those portions of the intended routes for which the aircraft are to be laterally separated is never less than an established distance to account for navigational inaccuracies plus a specified buffer. This buffer shall be determined by the appropriate authority and included in the lateral separation minima as an integral part thereof."
Having said that: TIBA = no separation, therefore no separation standard.
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So few know what to do
I work for a large airline that flies four aircraft and hundreds of passengers into and out of Australia every day. I was amazed that on a recent flight there three of my crew were not aware of what TIBA is and did not check the notams to see if it was going to affect them. One was a check airman. When I tried to explain what it means and the procedures to employ, one of them said "but in Australia there is ADSB so it will not affect us"!!!! Aaaaarrrggghh.... I went further into the explanation and said that the procedure can be found in Jeppeson. Undetered by my speech one of themn went to the Jepp, looked briefly and then proclaimed that it had been removed so therefore it didnt apply. I picked up the Jepp turned to the page and handed it to him in disbelief.
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Undetered by my speech one of themn went to the Jepp, looked briefly and then proclaimed that it had been removed so therefore it didnt apply. I picked up the Jepp turned to the page and handed it to him in disbelief.
I'm in one of those moods
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... H.H ... true, we understand it is in the Oz annex .... but!
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... the issue is not where it is hidden in the doc's, rather
I repeat .... **** en hell! 
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... the issue is not where it is hidden in the doc's, rather
I was amazed that on a recent flight there three of my crew were not aware of what TIBA is and did not check the notams to see if it was going to affect them. One was a check airman.
It depends which Jepp package your company uses. TIBA is not an Australian animal- it is an global (ICAO) thingy so it appears with all the other ICAO stuff in the index. Hard to find..... NOT. Our company just uses the abreviated Australian pages amounting to just a dozen or less and TIBA is not in there. The procedure started life as an IATA initiative for places like Africa and Myanma and was called something like Inflight Broadcast Procedure.