TIBA?
Airservices - will you PLEASE stop changing that effing TIBA NOTAM! Trying to spot the changes in three full pages of text every time it is re-issued is driving me insane! 
I have been Off Shore for some 7 years now and it saddens me that the only TIBA Airspace I have seen, is North Africa, Ujung, and Australia. We are third world now and for a former leader in Aviation, this is sad.
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I agree with Bloggs. Africa must be more advanced than Australia, they don't have a 4 page notam about how to make a position broadcast. I'd be using the 1 mile offsets as well if I were you, just like in similar airspace in China, Yangon and Africa. It is embarrassing to explain to foreign nationalities on the flight deck why a supposed 1st world country like Australia has TIBA in its Airspace.
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Be kind to our 'overseas' colleagues.
One is off with a severe bronchial until the weekend, another smashed his wrist including two days in hosp the op was so intense, and they are probably all working a few shifts more than required to prop up the system. Not a very big relief pool in Taswegia
But I luv the map
Be kind to our 'overseas' colleagues.
One is off with a severe bronchial until the weekend, another smashed his wrist including two days in hosp the op was so intense, and they are probably all working a few shifts more than required to prop up the system. Not a very big relief pool in Taswegia
But I luv the map
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Yeah mate i know whats happening with the tower staff, good bunch of blokes i might add. No way am i having a go at them as i know they have been doing lots of overtime etc. Always said playing sport is bad for the body 
Just imagine if they were all off sick, what a mess it would be with every tom , dick & RPT aircraft all playing on 118.7
and throw in some fog for good measure.
The tower boys do a good job, only when they arent there is when certain incidents happen.
Just imagine if they were all off sick, what a mess it would be with every tom , dick & RPT aircraft all playing on 118.7
and throw in some fog for good measure.The tower boys do a good job, only when they arent there is when certain incidents happen.
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I wonder if we are still charged enroute fees when there is TIBA. CTAF-AHRRRRR Me matey
and they are trying to use that as another reason to not give us a payrise!
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Hey, just realised only two more days folks and the staffing probs are all fixed!
I suppose that means no more TIBA and this thread will die, its been a pleasure folks.
But seriously, can anyone from the School College Academy of Knowledge Learning and Cerebral massage confirm that a senior HR type with a moniker common to an ex Kiwi cricket Captain, a Nobel prize winning biologist and pharmacologist, and WW2 spy cum novelist...dropped a statement in an address recently to you good folk that was the verbal equivalent of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch referance staffing across the firm?
I suppose that means no more TIBA and this thread will die, its been a pleasure folks.
But seriously, can anyone from the School College Academy of Knowledge Learning and Cerebral massage confirm that a senior HR type with a moniker common to an ex Kiwi cricket Captain, a Nobel prize winning biologist and pharmacologist, and WW2 spy cum novelist...dropped a statement in an address recently to you good folk that was the verbal equivalent of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch referance staffing across the firm?
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Indeed, looking at the assoc forum, it was a corker.
But I can't post it here because its would then be hearsay and then Mrs Woodfull's little boy Billy may get his botty smacked.
But! If someone heard it with their own ears and relayed it here even with some paraphrase its all good I believe.
...and then you will roll around laughing.
But I can't post it here because its would then be hearsay and then Mrs Woodfull's little boy Billy may get his botty smacked.
But! If someone heard it with their own ears and relayed it here even with some paraphrase its all good I believe.
...and then you will roll around laughing.
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If someone heard it with their own ears
Yes, Bill, Ms 007 said there were heaps of applicants, so attraction wasn't a problem.
The average retirement age is 58 and there were only 15 resignations last year so retention isn't a problem.
There is a staffing shortage but no 'crisis' as it's only a matter of evening out the numbers across ATC groups.
See! All fixed!
The average retirement age is 58 and there were only 15 resignations last year so retention isn't a problem.
There is a staffing shortage but no 'crisis' as it's only a matter of evening out the numbers across ATC groups.
See! All fixed!
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heaps of applicants, so attraction wasn't a problem.
The average retirement age is 58 and there were only 15 resignations last year so retention isn't a problem.
There is a staffing shortage but no 'crisis' as it's only a matter of evening out the numbers across ATC groups.
The average retirement age is 58 and there were only 15 resignations last year so retention isn't a problem.
There is a staffing shortage but no 'crisis' as it's only a matter of evening out the numbers across ATC groups.
Did anyone ask how many moons had her planet and did they have quirky names like the moons on Jupiter and Saturn? How many days constituted a year and how many hours in a day (and do they sleep
)?
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jetstar close encounters thingy
Hi all,
I'm currently a PPL with a question regarding this controlled airspace/non controlled/ seperation minima and it's about jet* so I'll post it here instead of bugging the flight deck forums.
On a flight back from Japan in a Jet* airbus I had the pleasure of a window seat even though it was dark at some ridiculous time in the morning (3amish it was a while ago I can't remember now) and looking out the window I saw the lights of another aircraft.
Now given from a distance it can be hard to judge altitude particularly at night this aircraft appeared to be roughly the same altitude as us heading the same direction on a converging course. I continued to watch, wondering where it was headed watching it get closer and closer then suddenly I could see the red and green lights on both wings and the strobe as them or us had made a course change and it was now head on with my side of the aircraft. I wasn't particularly worried though it was close now and I was starting to wonder who was going to change course to avoid the other.
In the end I thought we were going to have a mid air collision. The aircraft passed us ridiculously close below us with a nose down attitude descending away from under our tail and also banking left away from us. It was so close that despite the fact it was the pitch black of night at 40,000ft I could clearly see the tail of the aircraft under it's lights and the fact the plane was whitish/grey colour (probably just dirty) with no logo/ colours painted on the tail of what I assume was probably a 737 or the like.
When the incident occured we would have been somewhere in the region west of Guam.
Just looking for comments/thoughts on the incident/non incident. I did look in the International section of the next Crash Comic CASA released to see if there were any mentions about close encounters but found nothing.
I'm currently a PPL with a question regarding this controlled airspace/non controlled/ seperation minima and it's about jet* so I'll post it here instead of bugging the flight deck forums.
On a flight back from Japan in a Jet* airbus I had the pleasure of a window seat even though it was dark at some ridiculous time in the morning (3amish it was a while ago I can't remember now) and looking out the window I saw the lights of another aircraft.
Now given from a distance it can be hard to judge altitude particularly at night this aircraft appeared to be roughly the same altitude as us heading the same direction on a converging course. I continued to watch, wondering where it was headed watching it get closer and closer then suddenly I could see the red and green lights on both wings and the strobe as them or us had made a course change and it was now head on with my side of the aircraft. I wasn't particularly worried though it was close now and I was starting to wonder who was going to change course to avoid the other.
In the end I thought we were going to have a mid air collision. The aircraft passed us ridiculously close below us with a nose down attitude descending away from under our tail and also banking left away from us. It was so close that despite the fact it was the pitch black of night at 40,000ft I could clearly see the tail of the aircraft under it's lights and the fact the plane was whitish/grey colour (probably just dirty) with no logo/ colours painted on the tail of what I assume was probably a 737 or the like.
When the incident occured we would have been somewhere in the region west of Guam.
Just looking for comments/thoughts on the incident/non incident. I did look in the International section of the next Crash Comic CASA released to see if there were any mentions about close encounters but found nothing.
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This is probably not the right thread for your "enquiry", but just to assure you that you probably passed many, many other aircraft on your trip that were just as close, but you didnt notice. Some points;
1. If you think you could tell the pitch etc of the other aircraft on a black night, you are kidding yourself. It may have looked that way to you, but the aircraft was most probably straight and level. It is possible that you saw the aircraft turn, as it crossed a point in space- a virtual road-sign. Perfectly normal.
2. As you dont mention an abrupt manouvre by the aircraft you were travelling in, it was not a TCAS event, as both aircraft manouvre in such things. You would have felt it.
3. The sep standard vertically was probably 1000', which given the size of airliners, seems very close to the naked eye.
It's a shame that you can't visit the cockpit anymore, as someone such as yourself with an interest in aviation would learn a lot. One thing you notice in the black of night is how the opposite direction aircraft LOOK like they are at your level, right up until the last seconds. TCAS benefits the crews SA immensely.
There are other possiblities for your scenario (mil due regard out of Guam), but by far the most likely is that you were under standard separation and there was nothing wrong.
The other thing is you were not in Australian airspace. You have far more cause for concern in Australian airspace, where you may be in TIBA, without your knowledge, and not under the protection afforded by ATC. The Australian authorities dont consider ATC necessary, and own a business called Airservices Australia whose function it is is to provide many highly paid people to spin for the media (should they enquire about the third-world air navigation system), make plans, fib to the government, collect taxes without doing anything, and print brochures. They also benevolently export a finite amount of knowledge and experience to parts of the world who do provide ATC.
1. If you think you could tell the pitch etc of the other aircraft on a black night, you are kidding yourself. It may have looked that way to you, but the aircraft was most probably straight and level. It is possible that you saw the aircraft turn, as it crossed a point in space- a virtual road-sign. Perfectly normal.
2. As you dont mention an abrupt manouvre by the aircraft you were travelling in, it was not a TCAS event, as both aircraft manouvre in such things. You would have felt it.
3. The sep standard vertically was probably 1000', which given the size of airliners, seems very close to the naked eye.
It's a shame that you can't visit the cockpit anymore, as someone such as yourself with an interest in aviation would learn a lot. One thing you notice in the black of night is how the opposite direction aircraft LOOK like they are at your level, right up until the last seconds. TCAS benefits the crews SA immensely.
There are other possiblities for your scenario (mil due regard out of Guam), but by far the most likely is that you were under standard separation and there was nothing wrong.
The other thing is you were not in Australian airspace. You have far more cause for concern in Australian airspace, where you may be in TIBA, without your knowledge, and not under the protection afforded by ATC. The Australian authorities dont consider ATC necessary, and own a business called Airservices Australia whose function it is is to provide many highly paid people to spin for the media (should they enquire about the third-world air navigation system), make plans, fib to the government, collect taxes without doing anything, and print brochures. They also benevolently export a finite amount of knowledge and experience to parts of the world who do provide ATC.
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We are 20 Air Traffic Controllers overstaffed"
Lucky no one has resigned at Brisbane Centre, Sydney TWR and TCU, the Regional Towers and the three other TWR/TCU combos.
Lucky eh?
*Resigned to other employment NOT retirement or VR
The other thing is you were not in Australian airspace. You have far more cause for concern in Australian airspace, where you may be in TIBA, without your knowledge, and not under the protection afforded by ATC. The Australian authorities dont consider ATC necessary, and own a business called Airservices Australia whose function it is is to provide many highly paid people to spin for the media (should they enquire about the third-world air navigation system), make plans, fib to the government, collect taxes without doing anything, and print brochures. They also benevolently export a finite amount of knowledge and experience to parts of the world who do provide ATC.
Can someone explain to why the govt NEEDS $60M in profit from the rebadged Titanic II now the SS Alan Woods moored at Constitution Ave? Whats the budget Surplus...$17Billion? Whats wrong with revenue neutral?
Australia. Collapsing healthcare, higher education and transport infrastructure. BUT, where you can get paid more for digging a trench in the Pilbara than flying an intercontinental jet aircraft with 300 on board or keeping 8 of the damn things from hitting each other but close enough to minimise fuel burn.
We've come a long way.
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A sorry state...
Bill,
Yep, the world is crazy...
My only comment is that the Pilbara trench digger actually does something productive....most of the people TFN has employed over the last couple of years are natural oxygen thieves....
They continue not to get it...
They think it is a militant few...
They think it is industrial...
Most of them have never worked in a safety based industry before...
All of them do not get the core business....conflict resolution...
Well if their theory was correct surely the most vocal would be staying to appreciate the theoretical enormous pay rise that is supposed to happen...
Strangely, they are all going OS.
As someone on the professional association forum said it so well....
The PNR is past and here are the most likely permutations:
1/. Despite TFNs promises TIBA and Staff Shortage NOTAMs continue after Sept 1 when the miracle of staff was supposed to happen...
2/. The problem gets worse...
3/. The Accelerated negotiations drag on for ever..
4/. The problem gets worse...
5/. Finally long after TFN gone finally the controllers are offered a salary respectful of the job they do and the amazing productivity they have achieved over the last 5 years.....wait for it...
6/. The problem gets worse....
Yep, the world is crazy...
My only comment is that the Pilbara trench digger actually does something productive....most of the people TFN has employed over the last couple of years are natural oxygen thieves....
They continue not to get it...
They think it is a militant few...
They think it is industrial...
Most of them have never worked in a safety based industry before...
All of them do not get the core business....conflict resolution...
Well if their theory was correct surely the most vocal would be staying to appreciate the theoretical enormous pay rise that is supposed to happen...
Strangely, they are all going OS.
As someone on the professional association forum said it so well....
The PNR is past and here are the most likely permutations:
1/. Despite TFNs promises TIBA and Staff Shortage NOTAMs continue after Sept 1 when the miracle of staff was supposed to happen...
2/. The problem gets worse...
3/. The Accelerated negotiations drag on for ever..
4/. The problem gets worse...
5/. Finally long after TFN gone finally the controllers are offered a salary respectful of the job they do and the amazing productivity they have achieved over the last 5 years.....wait for it...
6/. The problem gets worse....