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I have to be honest here. I don't know sleuth but what has he said that is so bad? That VB guys would want to protect their own jobs ahead of contractors! Mmmm Thats fair enough isnt it? seriously? I bet the same would be said for any Q or cathay or any other airline driver when it came to there own jobs... No????
He did say didnt he, that he like many would have no prob of PB guys joining virgin? Didnt he?.....Mmmmm not much wrong with that either that i can see?
He expressed his own opinion that if that happened that they or anyone joining the company should join as FOs.... Mmmm gotta say i cant see any Q Tech crew member disagreeing with that policy?
Be honest guys those are pretty standard views across the board from any driver in regards to their job in any airline. ... Seriously is it not?
In regards to this thread itself. Well he is saying that VB guys don't owe anything to the PB guys. He didn't wish them bad health or anything like that, infact he made the point there was no malice intent (did he not?).
Just in regards to THIS issue believes it is virgin flying anyway. And lets be honest it is and the reality is they can crew it how they want with who they want. Be it contractors or Vb crew.
Again not really out to defend him but broken down what he said on THIS subject is pretty factual and this solidarity and likewise talk is nonsense. No one is under cutting anyone. The planes and crew are being redeployed on their own routes and they can fly it how they want. NO????
He did say didnt he, that he like many would have no prob of PB guys joining virgin? Didnt he?.....Mmmmm not much wrong with that either that i can see?
He expressed his own opinion that if that happened that they or anyone joining the company should join as FOs.... Mmmm gotta say i cant see any Q Tech crew member disagreeing with that policy?
Be honest guys those are pretty standard views across the board from any driver in regards to their job in any airline. ... Seriously is it not?
In regards to this thread itself. Well he is saying that VB guys don't owe anything to the PB guys. He didn't wish them bad health or anything like that, infact he made the point there was no malice intent (did he not?).
Just in regards to THIS issue believes it is virgin flying anyway. And lets be honest it is and the reality is they can crew it how they want with who they want. Be it contractors or Vb crew.
Again not really out to defend him but broken down what he said on THIS subject is pretty factual and this solidarity and likewise talk is nonsense. No one is under cutting anyone. The planes and crew are being redeployed on their own routes and they can fly it how they want. NO????
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I keep reading about "huge numbers" of pilots leaving PB, so I asked them on their open day this week. The answer I was given was 5 pilots last year and 2 this year. Is this really that huge? Or does it seem that way when looking at the proportion of total pilots they have?
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DeltaT surly you have mates in PB if your off to open days. So with that in mind, they have no doubt given you the lowdown on attrition at PB. If PB did tell you what you say, then it just shows what a lying bunch of A$$H0!$ they are. Take my word for it mate, double figures in the last 6 months. Last year around 20 or so. This year would have been a whole lot more if J* stopped recruitment.
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The attrition rate I have given above does come from what I was told at the open day, no lie! I do know 1 pilot in PB, however, he is never home for me to talk to him haha. Though he only joined recently.
I thought the open days were also to get more pilots for these new planes coming.
I thought the open days were also to get more pilots for these new planes coming.
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Why was PB created in the first place? CHEAP LABOUR. Anyhow, you are getting VB planes, and you're also getting the VB crew. Not so cheap labour in that case.
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tallyho...
there are plenty of 737s in PB paint on the VH- register, and there is nothing to stop Pacific Blue (Aus) flying them internationally. Pacific Blue (NZ) operates many flights as a wet lease to PB (Aus).
Flights from Aus to Fiji/Vanuatu/Indonesia can be easily operated by the VB pilot group as "Pacific Blue (Aus)".
NZ ATPLs will be issued under the TTMRA.
there are plenty of 737s in PB paint on the VH- register, and there is nothing to stop Pacific Blue (Aus) flying them internationally. Pacific Blue (NZ) operates many flights as a wet lease to PB (Aus).
Flights from Aus to Fiji/Vanuatu/Indonesia can be easily operated by the VB pilot group as "Pacific Blue (Aus)".
NZ ATPLs will be issued under the TTMRA.
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thats right PB pilots fly both zk and vh tails no matter what the letters on the side say.we are the "international airline of virgin blue" and sometimes we call ourselves polynesian blue,our motto WE FLY FOR LESS !Its very glamourous especially the "back of the clock ETOPS flights"
yes ttmra would provide a nzatpl( if you had to lower yourself to fly a ZK) but you will pay for it with all that extra money! just use a portion of your international bypass pay eh wot
yes ttmra would provide a nzatpl( if you had to lower yourself to fly a ZK) but you will pay for it with all that extra money! just use a portion of your international bypass pay eh wot
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porshe munkey,yes all nz pilots in that great country of yours have paid for their own atpl but they are all on secondment and will be rushing back to be at one again with the wonderful PB "international airline of virgin blue" DA DA
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DeltaT, Of course you're "going to be fed candy" on an open day.
They have them to attract people, not turn them away after finding how many actually have left and why.
At least half are awaiting to see what T&C's are put on the table right now, before they to stay or go.
Don't be naive.
The other comments simply show a lack of understanding about PBs' history, International A.O.Cs and aircraft regos. It's got nothing to do with it's paintwork by the way.
They have them to attract people, not turn them away after finding how many actually have left and why.
At least half are awaiting to see what T&C's are put on the table right now, before they to stay or go.
Don't be naive.
The other comments simply show a lack of understanding about PBs' history, International A.O.Cs and aircraft regos. It's got nothing to do with it's paintwork by the way.
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The guys are right, some of the emotion in here is Logie winning stuff.
Sleuth!!! Really mate? At what point did you lose your dignity? VB Pilots do, rightly so protect their own interests, and you've done a damn good job at that. To get paid the way you do in a company with such a troubled horizon is damn good work. Some would say its tantamount to digging your own graves, but your looking after your family.
But to try and slay PB Pilots just because they made the decision to take the opportunity to fly a jet in a country which has, on the whole the most appauling T&C's across the board. Remember whose decision it was to manage PB off shore. VB Management. It had its advantages, they did it. Not the pilot group. And to suggest the PB pilots are nothing more than contractors. We are on contracts, mate, but they are far from individual.
Look at the facts. YOU get paid a whole lot more than US. Your Management placed PB in NZ, Not US. A whole bunch of PB pilots are looking to the future with a large amount of uncertainty, and you still need to be attack? Just back off some and let your Union do the talking.
I sincerely hope your views are not representive of VB Pilots on the whole. Its a sad old world for the average Aussie Bloke if it is.
Sleuth!!! Really mate? At what point did you lose your dignity? VB Pilots do, rightly so protect their own interests, and you've done a damn good job at that. To get paid the way you do in a company with such a troubled horizon is damn good work. Some would say its tantamount to digging your own graves, but your looking after your family.
But to try and slay PB Pilots just because they made the decision to take the opportunity to fly a jet in a country which has, on the whole the most appauling T&C's across the board. Remember whose decision it was to manage PB off shore. VB Management. It had its advantages, they did it. Not the pilot group. And to suggest the PB pilots are nothing more than contractors. We are on contracts, mate, but they are far from individual.
Look at the facts. YOU get paid a whole lot more than US. Your Management placed PB in NZ, Not US. A whole bunch of PB pilots are looking to the future with a large amount of uncertainty, and you still need to be attack? Just back off some and let your Union do the talking.
I sincerely hope your views are not representive of VB Pilots on the whole. Its a sad old world for the average Aussie Bloke if it is.
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They have done the talking. The aircraft are coming. The aircrew to fly the ones you cannot are also coming. Whether you like it or not, whether I like it or not.
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IMHO i believe that Virgin Blue will include Pacific Blue crew into the fold as Virgin Blue employees. Full control in hiring and firing will be provided solely by management without a third party.
There will be 2 aircraft that will possibly be wet leased to the PB arm for international ops, with Virgin Blue crew, operating on behalf of PB.
Similar to many other areas of DJ, they initially had direct employees and those contractors just in case the trial period was not successful, so they would not be burdened with a full compliment of employees to pay out. Its smart business. Now they know the options and their abilities, checked out the scene, they can go ahead with expansion.
There will be 2 aircraft that will possibly be wet leased to the PB arm for international ops, with Virgin Blue crew, operating on behalf of PB.
Similar to many other areas of DJ, they initially had direct employees and those contractors just in case the trial period was not successful, so they would not be burdened with a full compliment of employees to pay out. Its smart business. Now they know the options and their abilities, checked out the scene, they can go ahead with expansion.