EU Emissions Trading Scheme - Aviations Greatest Threat.
EU Emissions Trading Scheme - Aviations Greatest Threat.
Look in Rumour and news, our great friends of the earth, the EU lefty tree hugging, social engineers have decided to include Aviation in a European emissions trading scheme.
Airlines will have to buy the right to emit CO2. This is going to cost a bomb and will decimate aviation in Europe, along with many other industries. It will make the fallout of 9/11 and SARS look like a walk in the park.
But, one thing confuses me, after all I'm just a dumb pilot, they want all CO2 emitters to pay up. But my Meteorology text book here on my desk, on page 1, says that the worlds oceans hold 99% of the CO2 and absorbs or releases it according to its temperature, and volcanoes, what about them too, a single eruption can release millions of tonnes of that damn stuff.
Oh, I nearly forgot, I breathe..........O2 in and CO2 out. Ok, who do i send my cheque to, what if i dont pay????..........will they take my breathing rights away from me??
Shoot, I forgot about the birds, trees, mamals and reptiles, they breathe too. Bugger, they should be made to pay too!
The lunatics have finally taken over the assylum.
Airlines will have to buy the right to emit CO2. This is going to cost a bomb and will decimate aviation in Europe, along with many other industries. It will make the fallout of 9/11 and SARS look like a walk in the park.
But, one thing confuses me, after all I'm just a dumb pilot, they want all CO2 emitters to pay up. But my Meteorology text book here on my desk, on page 1, says that the worlds oceans hold 99% of the CO2 and absorbs or releases it according to its temperature, and volcanoes, what about them too, a single eruption can release millions of tonnes of that damn stuff.
Oh, I nearly forgot, I breathe..........O2 in and CO2 out. Ok, who do i send my cheque to, what if i dont pay????..........will they take my breathing rights away from me??
Shoot, I forgot about the birds, trees, mamals and reptiles, they breathe too. Bugger, they should be made to pay too!
The lunatics have finally taken over the assylum.
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Not wrong.......... but the world is made up of various atoms, and the make up is based on a few things like electrons, protons etc.
A recent scientific study revealed that its 1% Protons, 1% Neutrons 1% Electrons and 97% Morons!
On a serious note..... maybe this thread should be merged into this one
http://www.pprune.org/forums/d-g-gen...g-swindle.html
J
A recent scientific study revealed that its 1% Protons, 1% Neutrons 1% Electrons and 97% Morons!
On a serious note..... maybe this thread should be merged into this one
http://www.pprune.org/forums/d-g-gen...g-swindle.html
J
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No doubt that paying for CO2 will affect aviation but believe me , would've been worst if they were charging on NOx (NOx is a generic term for mono-nitrogen oxides (NO and NO2)).
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Millions of tons of fuel burnt every day and the effect on the earths atmosphere, little to none. It is amazing and scary that this is still the view for many in 2008?
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good one boney..you've obviously bought the AGW story hook line and sinker..good for you. hoWARd?..heh heh, what are you, local greenpeace fund raiser? You probably make your own Tampons out of seaweed!
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Methinks the Inmates are well & truly in charge of the Asylum!!!
Methinks the Inmates are well & truly in charge of the Asylum!!!
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The missing link in the Garnet reportMelbourne Age· Geoff Russell, Peter Singer and Barry Brook
· July 10, 2008
The real climate change culprit is methane gas from cows and sheep.
PROFESSOR Ross Garnaut has managed to write a 548-report on climate change in which he mentions Australia's largest current contribution to climate change precisely once — in the glossary, where we find a definition of "enteric fermentation".
Never heard of it? It's what goes on in the digestive systems of ruminants, like cattle and sheep. It produces methane, Australia's largest but also most under-appreciated contribution to climate change over the next few decades.
The second-largest current contribution is coal. It gets mentioned 272 times in the report — as it should.
Why is methane so under-appreciated? There's a political reason and a technical reason.
The political reason is that if telling Australians that they need to pay more for petrol and electricity is tough, telling them they need to consume less beef, lamb and dairy products is going to be tougher still.
As for the technical reason, maybe the best way to explain it is like this: Suppose I offer you $1000 if you let me hold a blowtorch to your leg for 10 seconds.
When you decline, I explain that you should not focus on just that 10 seconds when the torch is applied to your leg. I have calculated that the average temperature applied to your leg over the 20-minute period that starts when I apply the blowtorch, will be only 48 degrees, which is hot, but quite bearable.
That, in effect, is the approach Garnaut takes to methane in his draft report.
Just like the crazy guy with the blowtorch, Garnaut underestimates the heating impact of methane by averaging it over 100 years.
Methane is mostly switched off after just a decade, and almost entirely gone after 20 years, so averaging it over a century dramatically reduces its apparent impact.
The problem is that during the decade in which it is doing its damage, it has had a much larger impact than talk about its average impact over a century would lead you to believe.
The source of Garnaut's methane howler becomes clear when he introduces the climate scientist's term "radiative forcing" in his report but soon shows that he does not really understand what it means and why it is so important. (Read Wikipedia re `Radiative Forcing and form your own opinion – mumbo jumbo to justify the academics positions? [DK])
Radiative forcing refers to factors that change the difference between incoming and outgoing energy in a climate system.
Positive forcings warm the system, negative forcings cool it down. There are two ways in which Garnaut misunderstands forcing. The first, as we have already seen, is the use of relative forcing averaged over 100 years.
That would be reasonable if there were no urgency about dealing with climate change, but we don't have 100 years before tipping points are crossed, so we should not be averaging methane's forcing over 100 years. This mistake leads Garnaut to rate methane as 25 times more potent, per tonne, than carbon dioxide in causing global warming, whereas the correct figure, if we average over 20 years, is that it is 72 times more potent. That's a hugely significant difference.
The second misunderstanding is the opposite of looking a century ahead. Garnaut includes in his report a chart of contributions to climate radiative forcing. It's an accurate historical description of what has heated up the planet. It includes the full impact not only of our recent activities, but of those of our parents, grandparents and more distant ancestors all the way back to 1750.
Carbon dioxide dominates this picture. No surprise there. Some of the carbon dioxide currently heating up the planet, and shown in Garnaut's chart, was put into the atmosphere by the pioneers who cleared 1 million square kilometres of the US forests more than a century ago. (Standard `The Age’ Anti USA Claptrap! [My note DK)
More of it came out of the exhaust pipes of all the T-model Fords that came off Henry Ford's (Standard `The Age’ Anti USA Claptrap! [My note DK]) assembly lines.
On the other hand, the methane in the chart is all ours. Almost every bit of it was put there in the past 20 years. The historical chart is interesting if you want a historical picture, but it is irrelevant if we are interested in what we are doing now, and how we might get out of this mess. If that is our concern, we need to focus most attention on the impacts of current forcings during the next 20 years.
These are the forcings we are causing now and can do something about. If we were to chart them, methane and carbon dioxide would be almost equal in significance. That is what Garnaut seems to miss.
The practical implication is that his draft report recommends against including methane emissions from cattle and sheep in his proposed emission trading scheme.
To ignore Australia's biggest contribution to climate forcing is just plain silly.
Australia's methane emissions come primarily from 28 million cattle, 88 million sheep and a bunch of leaky coal mines. The livestock emissions, on their own, will cause significantly more warming in the next 20 years than all our coal-fired power stations.
The good news is that methane is easy to deal with.
We don't have to wait for engineers to solve a bunch of really tough infrastructural problems. We can do it now. Just stop breeding so many sheep and cattle in Australia. And because methane is such a huge contributor to climate change, this is not just an "earth hour" stunt. This is the real deal.
Geoff Russell is a mathematician and computer programmer. Peter Singer is professor of bioethics at Princeton University and Laureate Professor at the University of Melbourne. Barry Brook is Sir Hubert Wilkins professor of climate change at the University of Adelaide.
DK
The missing link in the Garnet reportMelbourne Age· Geoff Russell, Peter Singer and Barry Brook
· July 10, 2008
The real climate change culprit is methane gas from cows and sheep.
PROFESSOR Ross Garnaut has managed to write a 548-report on climate change in which he mentions Australia's largest current contribution to climate change precisely once — in the glossary, where we find a definition of "enteric fermentation".
Never heard of it? It's what goes on in the digestive systems of ruminants, like cattle and sheep. It produces methane, Australia's largest but also most under-appreciated contribution to climate change over the next few decades.
The second-largest current contribution is coal. It gets mentioned 272 times in the report — as it should.
Why is methane so under-appreciated? There's a political reason and a technical reason.
The political reason is that if telling Australians that they need to pay more for petrol and electricity is tough, telling them they need to consume less beef, lamb and dairy products is going to be tougher still.
As for the technical reason, maybe the best way to explain it is like this: Suppose I offer you $1000 if you let me hold a blowtorch to your leg for 10 seconds.
When you decline, I explain that you should not focus on just that 10 seconds when the torch is applied to your leg. I have calculated that the average temperature applied to your leg over the 20-minute period that starts when I apply the blowtorch, will be only 48 degrees, which is hot, but quite bearable.
That, in effect, is the approach Garnaut takes to methane in his draft report.
Just like the crazy guy with the blowtorch, Garnaut underestimates the heating impact of methane by averaging it over 100 years.
Methane is mostly switched off after just a decade, and almost entirely gone after 20 years, so averaging it over a century dramatically reduces its apparent impact.
The problem is that during the decade in which it is doing its damage, it has had a much larger impact than talk about its average impact over a century would lead you to believe.
The source of Garnaut's methane howler becomes clear when he introduces the climate scientist's term "radiative forcing" in his report but soon shows that he does not really understand what it means and why it is so important. (Read Wikipedia re `Radiative Forcing and form your own opinion – mumbo jumbo to justify the academics positions? [DK])
Radiative forcing refers to factors that change the difference between incoming and outgoing energy in a climate system.
Positive forcings warm the system, negative forcings cool it down. There are two ways in which Garnaut misunderstands forcing. The first, as we have already seen, is the use of relative forcing averaged over 100 years.
That would be reasonable if there were no urgency about dealing with climate change, but we don't have 100 years before tipping points are crossed, so we should not be averaging methane's forcing over 100 years. This mistake leads Garnaut to rate methane as 25 times more potent, per tonne, than carbon dioxide in causing global warming, whereas the correct figure, if we average over 20 years, is that it is 72 times more potent. That's a hugely significant difference.
The second misunderstanding is the opposite of looking a century ahead. Garnaut includes in his report a chart of contributions to climate radiative forcing. It's an accurate historical description of what has heated up the planet. It includes the full impact not only of our recent activities, but of those of our parents, grandparents and more distant ancestors all the way back to 1750.
Carbon dioxide dominates this picture. No surprise there. Some of the carbon dioxide currently heating up the planet, and shown in Garnaut's chart, was put into the atmosphere by the pioneers who cleared 1 million square kilometres of the US forests more than a century ago. (Standard `The Age’ Anti USA Claptrap! [My note DK)
More of it came out of the exhaust pipes of all the T-model Fords that came off Henry Ford's (Standard `The Age’ Anti USA Claptrap! [My note DK]) assembly lines.
On the other hand, the methane in the chart is all ours. Almost every bit of it was put there in the past 20 years. The historical chart is interesting if you want a historical picture, but it is irrelevant if we are interested in what we are doing now, and how we might get out of this mess. If that is our concern, we need to focus most attention on the impacts of current forcings during the next 20 years.
These are the forcings we are causing now and can do something about. If we were to chart them, methane and carbon dioxide would be almost equal in significance. That is what Garnaut seems to miss.
The practical implication is that his draft report recommends against including methane emissions from cattle and sheep in his proposed emission trading scheme.
To ignore Australia's biggest contribution to climate forcing is just plain silly.
Australia's methane emissions come primarily from 28 million cattle, 88 million sheep and a bunch of leaky coal mines. The livestock emissions, on their own, will cause significantly more warming in the next 20 years than all our coal-fired power stations.
The good news is that methane is easy to deal with.
We don't have to wait for engineers to solve a bunch of really tough infrastructural problems. We can do it now. Just stop breeding so many sheep and cattle in Australia. And because methane is such a huge contributor to climate change, this is not just an "earth hour" stunt. This is the real deal.
Geoff Russell is a mathematician and computer programmer. Peter Singer is professor of bioethics at Princeton University and Laureate Professor at the University of Melbourne. Barry Brook is Sir Hubert Wilkins professor of climate change at the University of Adelaide.
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This lunatic is up there with the Oz of The Year who thought sulphur would be a good thing to pump into the atmosphere.
Should be a $10,000,000 bounty on their heads!
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Should be a $10,000,000 bounty on their heads!
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Am I the only one who finds it somewhat odd that a report on 'climate change' that seems to have a lot of people in a tizzy was written by an ecomomist??
I would'nt mind reading what Chimbu Chuckles would say on this latest effort!
I would'nt mind reading what Chimbu Chuckles would say on this latest effort!
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Pinky, can't be 100% sure he would write it......but I bet he thinks it goes something like this........
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Should be a $10,000,000 bounty on their heads!
This genius Garnaut leaves out the fact that the greatest C02 emitter is as mentioned here - the hooman been....was only a couple of billion of us a couple of hundred years ago now more than 6 billion [4bn x 37C = ??] and rising>>
what % of the earth's CO2 is Australia - not per head but in total. I'm sure that if Kevin07 and his gang of amatuers did nothing then the earth will not fail because of us...
this is tax by stealth in the name of saving mankind. K07 could not answer the question last Sunday when asked "what is an emissions trading scheme?" and "where does the money go?"
leaves out the fact that the greatest C02 emitter is as mentioned here - the hooman been....was only a couple of billion of us a couple of hundred years ago now more than 6 billion [4bn x 37C = ??] and rising>>what % of the earth's CO2 is Australia - not per head but in total. I'm sure that if Kevin07 and his gang of amatuers
did nothing then the earth will not fail because of us...this is tax by stealth in the name of saving mankind. K07 could not answer the question last Sunday when asked "what is an emissions trading scheme?" and "where does the money go?"
Another great tax grab by the government and associated dogooders!!!
Garnaut ego is that big that it will need its own postcode.
Listening to a ABC Radio and a guy from a motoring organisation believes that car fuel would rise to $2.50 to $3.00 a litre within two years if the government implement the Garnaut report, and that was with the Aussie dollar staying at the present level.
So where will Melbourne get power from if Latrobe Valley power stations are forced to close?
Garnaut ego is that big that it will need its own postcode.
Listening to a ABC Radio and a guy from a motoring organisation believes that car fuel would rise to $2.50 to $3.00 a litre within two years if the government implement the Garnaut report, and that was with the Aussie dollar staying at the present level.
So where will Melbourne get power from if Latrobe Valley power stations are forced to close?
Global Warming and Co2
We as an "aviation industry" will have to play our part in this debate and it ain't going away.
if anyone thinks that burning "carbon" (fossil fuels) has nil affect on our atmostphere then they are seriosly misguided.
We are tearing our way through "carbon" at a great rate and if we are to take up alternatives then carbon should be "priced" for the damage it does cause.
if we are to pass on our planet to future generations then let's follow some "precautionary principles".
Every generation has "done some heavy lifting" and maybe ours will be graded/judged as to how we respond to such things !
cheers
mustard
if anyone thinks that burning "carbon" (fossil fuels) has nil affect on our atmostphere then they are seriosly misguided.
We are tearing our way through "carbon" at a great rate and if we are to take up alternatives then carbon should be "priced" for the damage it does cause.
if we are to pass on our planet to future generations then let's follow some "precautionary principles".
Every generation has "done some heavy lifting" and maybe ours will be graded/judged as to how we respond to such things !
cheers
mustard
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It will too go away..its a fashion trend
I can feel it fading out now..going, going...
..I'm glad I didn't buy that anti CO2 T-shirt at the flea market
(PS its freezing here this year..its costing me a fortune to heat this place..I wish there was global warming..really)
I can feel it fading out now..going, going...
..I'm glad I didn't buy that anti CO2 T-shirt at the flea market
(PS its freezing here this year..its costing me a fortune to heat this place..I wish there was global warming..really)
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What Global Warming??
Dijon who is guiding you?? Surely not the politicians, maybe Gore?
The artic as a whole is as warm now as it was in the 1930’s.
There has been no global temperature increase since 1998, despite an increase in CO2 conc of about 15 ppm (4%).
The temperature rise and fall during the Halocene in the Greenland ice core are between + and – 2.5 degrees per century, the alleged “abnormal” rate of late 20th century change is between 1 and 2 degrees per century.
A temperature increase between 1905 and 1940 occurred before any greatly increased industrial emissions of CO2. The rapid post 1940 increase in CO2 emissions was accompanied by a falling temperature between 1945 and 1965.
Climate changes naturally all the time. A distinct human signal has not yet been identified within the variations of the natural climate system, to the degree we can not even be certain whether the global human signal is one of warming or cooling.
The artic as a whole is as warm now as it was in the 1930’s.
There has been no global temperature increase since 1998, despite an increase in CO2 conc of about 15 ppm (4%).
The temperature rise and fall during the Halocene in the Greenland ice core are between + and – 2.5 degrees per century, the alleged “abnormal” rate of late 20th century change is between 1 and 2 degrees per century.
A temperature increase between 1905 and 1940 occurred before any greatly increased industrial emissions of CO2. The rapid post 1940 increase in CO2 emissions was accompanied by a falling temperature between 1945 and 1965.
Climate changes naturally all the time. A distinct human signal has not yet been identified within the variations of the natural climate system, to the degree we can not even be certain whether the global human signal is one of warming or cooling.
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'Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.'
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The doctrine of political correctness that you quote can also be expressed more crudely as:
"they can call a turd a sandwich, but they're still feeding you sh1t."
The doctrine of political correctness that you quote can also be expressed more crudely as:
"they can call a turd a sandwich, but they're still feeding you sh1t."
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Global Warming | Love for Life
Spend some time here and you will get an idea of whats going on.
Global Warming | Love for Life
Spend some time here and you will get an idea of whats going on.
Grandpa Aerotart
Manmade catastrophic global warming is a scam, no that is not a strong enough word...it is a conspiracy, of monumental proportions that has been ongoing now for over 20 years but has its genesis in the hippy movement of the late 60s. The environmental movement was born of the hippy sub culture that was predominately the preserve of upper middle class white university students and an element of older, more cynical, deeply left wing manipulators who saw an opportunity to hit back at western capitalist society.
Gaia is the Greek Goddess of the Earth and the myth of Gaia was a fairly early conscript to the environmental movement. As mainstream religions lost their appeal throughout the 70s and 80s Gaiaism began to replace mainstream religion as an alternative belief system. Mankind has an innate need to believe it is part of something greater than self hence wherever mankind has evolved some form of religion has been a part of that evolution...even where totalitarian regimes have tried to crush it, Russia as an example, it flourishes underground...it is part of our makeup and very difficult, particularly in the less well educated, to eradicate.
As mainstream religions became more and more exposed via the media as flawed, and they most assuredly are deeply flawed, Gaia became the alternative for a generation of young people who desperately NEEDED to believe in something. She seemed so perfect...the Earth Mother...clean and beautiful and completely incapable of starting wars or inflicting suffering on individuals or populations generally the way practitioners of mainstream religion have done for 1000s of years. Over time Gaiaism came to believe that Earth itself was a living sentient being who was under attack from capitalism and hence capitalism is evil incarnate....the devil. Every religion has zealots and environmentalism is no different. Religious zealotry is marked by a a deep sense of moral authority and superiority. Non believers, 'skeptics', are to be saved from their ignorance whether they like it or not.
Over the last 4 decades those hippy students have risen to the top of media companies like the ABC, National Geographic Channel etc, and things like the EPA, UN and various environmentally based Govt departments, both local, state and federal. Not to mention starting political parties like the Greens. They have refined their beliefs and practices over those 4 decades and learnt from both their failures and their victories, like the Franklin river dam protests of the 80s.
The environmental movement is, through political activism, responsible for 25% of the cost of production of fossil fuels, for instance, via environmental laws, some of which have been good and needed but many not so.
They are responsible wholly for the fact that the current drought is perceived as 'the worst in recorded history' because they vetoed water infrastructure being built by successive state Labor Govts. Rudd himself is largely responsible, while he was advisor to the then QLD state Labor Premier Wayne Goss, for stopping a major dam being built west of Brisbane that would have essentially completely negated the recent and current water restrictions in SE QLD. While this historic fact is completely ignored by the media we are bombarded by media reports and billboards everywhere that this drought is the worst ever and it is a result of AGW...but if you take the time to look at the BOM rain records dating back over 100 years you see it is no different to every other cyclic period of drought SE QLD has ever experienced...and the rest of Australia is basically the same.
The greens are largely responsible for great swathes of Australia, including some of the best catchment areas, being locked away as National Parks and never being available for water infrastructure again. Now we need some national parks but this land belongs to all Australians not JUST to the greens...but they insist through ever more restrictive environmental legislation on restricting access to average Australians and making them like Temples to Gaia where only they can go and worship. Democratic?
So over the last 38 years since the first Earth Day the environmental movement has been becoming more and more politically and media savvy...and then in 1988 James Hanson, a NASA Astrophysicist (NO Climatology credentials whatsoever but clearly a Gaiaist) sits in front of the US Congress and states that the world's climate is about to go ballistic and manmade CO2 is solely responsible.
SOLELY RESPONSIBLE!!!
All of a sudden the greenies had their great overarching threat to Gaia the Earth Mother. The media had the greatest headline scare story of all time to fill their front pages with...not to mention an entire new area of 'environmental journalism'...much sexier than reporting on the law courts, sport or political goings on. Lawyers had a never ending litigation opportunity (lots of money). Politicians had something to scare/save the electorate and garner votes and POWER with. Whole new Govt Departments were born (at every level of Govt) requiring expanded public servants and management opportunities (more power) in well funded departments. Scientists had the opportunity to unleash vast funding for whatever was their pet project as long as they included 'Global Warming' in the grant application...pretty soon we had celebrity scientists basking in the adulation of all concerned...just look at the gravy train that is the IPCC and the never ending gabfests at top locations around the world. Celebrities had something to lend meaning to their otherwise meaningless lives of playing dress ups and make believe and which elevated their celebrity to ever higher levels. Industries, both new and old, becoming 'green' and subsidy farming their way to profitability...wind, solar and biofuels are all examples of industries that WOULD NOT exist, either at all or in their present form, without govt mandates and subsidies. Power, funding, job security, wealth, celebrity.
Powerful stuff.
Note I suggested this was a conspiracy at the very beginning. It is, but not a Grande Conspiracy. Grande Conspiracy would need all the above groups to collude deliberately and that is not happening. What we have seen and are seeing is sundry 'single issue advocasy groups' coalescing around a central idea for their own benefit.
All against an invisible trace gas that makes up .004% of the atmosphere. A trace gas the you and I expel with every breath. A trace gas that has been very much more prevalent in our atmosphere in times long past because the single biggest repository is the worlds oceans...a great big blue accumulator that releases or absorbs CO2 as the solar activity warms or cools the planet based on it's cyclical orbital physics.
A trace gas without which NO LIFE WOULD EXIST ON THIS PLANET.
Extreme Environmentalism is now a HUGE religious and political movement...and the greatest threat to mankind that any religious or political movement has ever been. Its nature is anti mankind, anti capitalist and deeply socialist. They rejoice in $146/bbl oil and see it as enormously beneficial to Gaia...they would love to see oil go a LOT higher to FORCE people out of their cars and off aeroplanes because the health and well being of Gaia is the ONLY thing that is important. There are even serious calls from a section of the environmental movement (the Peak Oilers) for mass euthansasia as the only 'merciful' alternative to the mass starvation that faces a sinful mankind as we deplete Gaia's resources.
Make no mistake...this is scary stuff....these people and their mob mentality are scary. They completely discount and deny the reality that surrounds them. That the world is not warming currently, and is likely cooling, and what small warming that occurred in the late 20th century was wholly beneficial to mankind, and that CO2 literally CANNOT cause the runaway doom narrative they espouse.
They deny this reality because they have FAITH. And lets face it their 'secret friend' is no kookier than that of EVERY other faith extant on the planet from the Roman Catholic Church to the Scientologists...but the social re-engineering, social 'justice' and economic destruction their faith calls for is scary indeed.
Gaia is the Greek Goddess of the Earth and the myth of Gaia was a fairly early conscript to the environmental movement. As mainstream religions lost their appeal throughout the 70s and 80s Gaiaism began to replace mainstream religion as an alternative belief system. Mankind has an innate need to believe it is part of something greater than self hence wherever mankind has evolved some form of religion has been a part of that evolution...even where totalitarian regimes have tried to crush it, Russia as an example, it flourishes underground...it is part of our makeup and very difficult, particularly in the less well educated, to eradicate.
As mainstream religions became more and more exposed via the media as flawed, and they most assuredly are deeply flawed, Gaia became the alternative for a generation of young people who desperately NEEDED to believe in something. She seemed so perfect...the Earth Mother...clean and beautiful and completely incapable of starting wars or inflicting suffering on individuals or populations generally the way practitioners of mainstream religion have done for 1000s of years. Over time Gaiaism came to believe that Earth itself was a living sentient being who was under attack from capitalism and hence capitalism is evil incarnate....the devil. Every religion has zealots and environmentalism is no different. Religious zealotry is marked by a a deep sense of moral authority and superiority. Non believers, 'skeptics', are to be saved from their ignorance whether they like it or not.
Over the last 4 decades those hippy students have risen to the top of media companies like the ABC, National Geographic Channel etc, and things like the EPA, UN and various environmentally based Govt departments, both local, state and federal. Not to mention starting political parties like the Greens. They have refined their beliefs and practices over those 4 decades and learnt from both their failures and their victories, like the Franklin river dam protests of the 80s.
The environmental movement is, through political activism, responsible for 25% of the cost of production of fossil fuels, for instance, via environmental laws, some of which have been good and needed but many not so.
They are responsible wholly for the fact that the current drought is perceived as 'the worst in recorded history' because they vetoed water infrastructure being built by successive state Labor Govts. Rudd himself is largely responsible, while he was advisor to the then QLD state Labor Premier Wayne Goss, for stopping a major dam being built west of Brisbane that would have essentially completely negated the recent and current water restrictions in SE QLD. While this historic fact is completely ignored by the media we are bombarded by media reports and billboards everywhere that this drought is the worst ever and it is a result of AGW...but if you take the time to look at the BOM rain records dating back over 100 years you see it is no different to every other cyclic period of drought SE QLD has ever experienced...and the rest of Australia is basically the same.
The greens are largely responsible for great swathes of Australia, including some of the best catchment areas, being locked away as National Parks and never being available for water infrastructure again. Now we need some national parks but this land belongs to all Australians not JUST to the greens...but they insist through ever more restrictive environmental legislation on restricting access to average Australians and making them like Temples to Gaia where only they can go and worship. Democratic?
So over the last 38 years since the first Earth Day the environmental movement has been becoming more and more politically and media savvy...and then in 1988 James Hanson, a NASA Astrophysicist (NO Climatology credentials whatsoever but clearly a Gaiaist) sits in front of the US Congress and states that the world's climate is about to go ballistic and manmade CO2 is solely responsible.
SOLELY RESPONSIBLE!!!
All of a sudden the greenies had their great overarching threat to Gaia the Earth Mother. The media had the greatest headline scare story of all time to fill their front pages with...not to mention an entire new area of 'environmental journalism'...much sexier than reporting on the law courts, sport or political goings on. Lawyers had a never ending litigation opportunity (lots of money). Politicians had something to scare/save the electorate and garner votes and POWER with. Whole new Govt Departments were born (at every level of Govt) requiring expanded public servants and management opportunities (more power) in well funded departments. Scientists had the opportunity to unleash vast funding for whatever was their pet project as long as they included 'Global Warming' in the grant application...pretty soon we had celebrity scientists basking in the adulation of all concerned...just look at the gravy train that is the IPCC and the never ending gabfests at top locations around the world. Celebrities had something to lend meaning to their otherwise meaningless lives of playing dress ups and make believe and which elevated their celebrity to ever higher levels. Industries, both new and old, becoming 'green' and subsidy farming their way to profitability...wind, solar and biofuels are all examples of industries that WOULD NOT exist, either at all or in their present form, without govt mandates and subsidies. Power, funding, job security, wealth, celebrity.
Powerful stuff.
Note I suggested this was a conspiracy at the very beginning. It is, but not a Grande Conspiracy. Grande Conspiracy would need all the above groups to collude deliberately and that is not happening. What we have seen and are seeing is sundry 'single issue advocasy groups' coalescing around a central idea for their own benefit.
All against an invisible trace gas that makes up .004% of the atmosphere. A trace gas the you and I expel with every breath. A trace gas that has been very much more prevalent in our atmosphere in times long past because the single biggest repository is the worlds oceans...a great big blue accumulator that releases or absorbs CO2 as the solar activity warms or cools the planet based on it's cyclical orbital physics.
A trace gas without which NO LIFE WOULD EXIST ON THIS PLANET.
Extreme Environmentalism is now a HUGE religious and political movement...and the greatest threat to mankind that any religious or political movement has ever been. Its nature is anti mankind, anti capitalist and deeply socialist. They rejoice in $146/bbl oil and see it as enormously beneficial to Gaia...they would love to see oil go a LOT higher to FORCE people out of their cars and off aeroplanes because the health and well being of Gaia is the ONLY thing that is important. There are even serious calls from a section of the environmental movement (the Peak Oilers) for mass euthansasia as the only 'merciful' alternative to the mass starvation that faces a sinful mankind as we deplete Gaia's resources.
Make no mistake...this is scary stuff....these people and their mob mentality are scary. They completely discount and deny the reality that surrounds them. That the world is not warming currently, and is likely cooling, and what small warming that occurred in the late 20th century was wholly beneficial to mankind, and that CO2 literally CANNOT cause the runaway doom narrative they espouse.
They deny this reality because they have FAITH. And lets face it their 'secret friend' is no kookier than that of EVERY other faith extant on the planet from the Roman Catholic Church to the Scientologists...but the social re-engineering, social 'justice' and economic destruction their faith calls for is scary indeed.
Last edited by Chimbu chuckles; 12th Jul 2008 at 17:05.
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Make no mistake..my sister is a leftist greeny lesbian ( and I mean it) she comes into my house, tells me how I dont know how to bring up my kids ( what the fcuk she would know, she has none) tells me I am killing the planet using my mobile phone because I have to charge it somewhere, tells me not to use A/C, drive the kids to school..bla bla bla.....
But THE FACT IS..in 30 years time when her lesbian anti kid bum needs wiping in a hospital bed, it is all of us who used the resources to bring up the kids that are now her nurses...she aint going to send me a cheque..!!! Rant over
But THE FACT IS..in 30 years time when her lesbian anti kid bum needs wiping in a hospital bed, it is all of us who used the resources to bring up the kids that are now her nurses...she aint going to send me a cheque..!!! Rant over