Merged: Another new Australian airline???
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Merged: Another new Australian airline???
Any ideas as to the identity of those involved, or the name of the airline company? Rather interesting timing.
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Another new Australian airline???
From the Centre of Asia Pacific Aviation:
New Australian start-up airline targets Sydney and other major cities with regional jets
A planned Australian start-up, as yet unnamed, is preparing to commence passenger and cargo services in Nov-08, using E-170, E-190, ATR-72 and A300F aircraft, as revealed exclusively on peanuts.aero.
The airline, currently based in Melbourne, will launch service with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, and plans an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast. While slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, the airline will progressively launch its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.
The airline stated it plans to deliver a standard of domestic air travel “never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks”. The “value for money” , “service-based” approach will see the airline position itself between Qantas and Virgin Blue in the domestic market.
The start-up was registered on 10-Oct-06 as an Australian company, and has investment partners in Germany.
How do end up with a million dollars in airlines?
You start with ten million
New Australian start-up airline targets Sydney and other major cities with regional jets
A planned Australian start-up, as yet unnamed, is preparing to commence passenger and cargo services in Nov-08, using E-170, E-190, ATR-72 and A300F aircraft, as revealed exclusively on peanuts.aero.
The airline, currently based in Melbourne, will launch service with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, and plans an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast. While slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, the airline will progressively launch its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.
The airline stated it plans to deliver a standard of domestic air travel “never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks”. The “value for money” , “service-based” approach will see the airline position itself between Qantas and Virgin Blue in the domestic market.
The start-up was registered on 10-Oct-06 as an Australian company, and has investment partners in Germany.
How do end up with a million dollars in airlines?
You start with ten million
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Is there any room to squeeze in between VB and QF?
I find in laughable that people can actually sell these ideas to investors and get $$$ to play with.
$10m just not enough, try $50m and still on shakey ground.
Another lost cause.
Lets hope they regain their senses before they start and do some damage to employees, suppliers ,etc.
I find in laughable that people can actually sell these ideas to investors and get $$$ to play with.
$10m just not enough, try $50m and still on shakey ground.
Another lost cause.
Lets hope they regain their senses before they start and do some damage to employees, suppliers ,etc.
Nunc est bibendum
Mr Godfrey started DJ with $13M
.....and probably would have finished with $0 and a huge debt had AN not fallen over!
Australia is not a three airline market when they're all going head to head.
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A planned Australian start-up, as yet unnamed, is preparing to commence passenger and cargo services in Nov-08, using E-170, E-190, ATR-72 and A300F aircraft, as revealed exclusively on peanuts.aero.
The airline, currently based in Melbourne, will launch service with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, and plans an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast. While slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, the airline will progressively launch its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.
The airline, currently based in Melbourne, will launch service with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, and plans an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast. While slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, the airline will progressively launch its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.
I can't see how they will be cheaper if they offer food & drinks. They pay the same if not more for everything else. (Fuel, Landing fees, Airways Charges etc) If I had that sort of money I wouldn't be spending it on a unproven startup LCC.
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What makes you say that the E190 s the wrong aircraft for a start up operation - or any operation for that matter ?
I would like to hear your reasoning behind your 'informed' comment...
I would like to hear your reasoning behind your 'informed' comment...
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New Oz based airline by years end?
VivaJet Airlines is the newest domestic airline of Australia and we are getting ready to operate in the middle of 2008*. Using the new Embraer E-170 and E-190 aircraft, the ATR-72 and the Airbus A300 Cargoliner, we will deliver a standard of domestic air travel never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks.
Thoughts? Timetable sounds a bit iffy to me. Apparently it has very strong german backing!
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Yep, both Rex and Easterns have shown they're incapable of keeping services and it looks like QF want to rid themselves of any props... maybe franchise it out... plenty of room for this one to step in.
Best of luck to them
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Virgin mates reckon it's their new low cost arm of the airline. Does anybody in the know care to clarify?
And this ,this morning.
Teresa Ooi and Geoffrey Thomas | June 20, 2008
AUSTRALIA is to have a new domestic airline - VivaJet - to rival Qantas and Virgin Blue, both of which are slashing unprofitable regional routes to combat soaring fuel prices.
VivaJet will use 70-seat Embraer E-170s along with other aircraft.
VivaJet, based in Melbourne, is expected to start operations in November, promising a "better" service with complimentary light meals and drinks and cheap fares.
It is believed that two former Qantas executives are advising VivaJet.
The Sydney-based Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (CAPA) said the new airline planned to start passenger and cargo services later this year, using the 70-seat Embraer E-170 and 90-seat E-190 regional passenger jets (E-Jets), 72-seat ATR-72 turbo-props and a Airbus A300 Freighter aircraft.
Virgin Blue was the first to introduce E-jets on the east coast and Canberra services late last year.
VivaJet will be headed by Cenap Kathyaoglu, who has been in the tourism and aviation industry for more than 20 years and helped to develop several companies in Europe and the US in the highly competitive airline sector.
The new airline is defying soaring fuel prices, falling consumer confidence and the volatile equity market.
VivaJet has been registered as a private Australian company in Melbourne since 2006 and is backed by German investment partners.
It faces a major hurdle to break the stranglehold that Qantas and, more recently, Virgin Blue have gained on the premium business market in Australia.
VivaJet is expected to launch with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, with plans for an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast.
An informed source said that at least eight Embraer aircraft may be leased by VivaJet, a Brazilian maker renowned for its cost-effective approach.
Slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, but the airline will progressively roll out its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.
However, what has not been revealed is which airports the airline will operate from.
Some suggest it may use Sydney's Bankstown.
CAPA said the airline had plans to deliver a standard of domestic air travel "never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low-fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks".
The last airline to offer premium services and low prices was Ozjet.
It lasted less than six months, with many routes having more flight attendants than passengers.
In fact, the only successful major start-up in the past two decades was Virgin Blue, which flourished after the collapse of Ansett Australia in September 2001.
Also on the radar is the Indonesian carrier Lion Air, which plans to commence operations later this year using a fleet of six extended-range B737-900ERs.
Lion will hold 49 per cent of the new company, which is to be 51 per cent owned by Brisbane-based Australian charter operator, SkyAirWorld.
Initially, the airline is looking at international routes to Indonesia and Southeast Asia, but is also considering operating some domestic destinations.
And this ,this morning.
Teresa Ooi and Geoffrey Thomas | June 20, 2008
AUSTRALIA is to have a new domestic airline - VivaJet - to rival Qantas and Virgin Blue, both of which are slashing unprofitable regional routes to combat soaring fuel prices.
VivaJet will use 70-seat Embraer E-170s along with other aircraft.
VivaJet, based in Melbourne, is expected to start operations in November, promising a "better" service with complimentary light meals and drinks and cheap fares.
It is believed that two former Qantas executives are advising VivaJet.
The Sydney-based Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (CAPA) said the new airline planned to start passenger and cargo services later this year, using the 70-seat Embraer E-170 and 90-seat E-190 regional passenger jets (E-Jets), 72-seat ATR-72 turbo-props and a Airbus A300 Freighter aircraft.
Virgin Blue was the first to introduce E-jets on the east coast and Canberra services late last year.
VivaJet will be headed by Cenap Kathyaoglu, who has been in the tourism and aviation industry for more than 20 years and helped to develop several companies in Europe and the US in the highly competitive airline sector.
The new airline is defying soaring fuel prices, falling consumer confidence and the volatile equity market.
VivaJet has been registered as a private Australian company in Melbourne since 2006 and is backed by German investment partners.
It faces a major hurdle to break the stranglehold that Qantas and, more recently, Virgin Blue have gained on the premium business market in Australia.
VivaJet is expected to launch with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, with plans for an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast.
An informed source said that at least eight Embraer aircraft may be leased by VivaJet, a Brazilian maker renowned for its cost-effective approach.
Slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, but the airline will progressively roll out its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.
However, what has not been revealed is which airports the airline will operate from.
Some suggest it may use Sydney's Bankstown.
CAPA said the airline had plans to deliver a standard of domestic air travel "never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low-fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks".
The last airline to offer premium services and low prices was Ozjet.
It lasted less than six months, with many routes having more flight attendants than passengers.
In fact, the only successful major start-up in the past two decades was Virgin Blue, which flourished after the collapse of Ansett Australia in September 2001.
Also on the radar is the Indonesian carrier Lion Air, which plans to commence operations later this year using a fleet of six extended-range B737-900ERs.
Lion will hold 49 per cent of the new company, which is to be 51 per cent owned by Brisbane-based Australian charter operator, SkyAirWorld.
Initially, the airline is looking at international routes to Indonesia and Southeast Asia, but is also considering operating some domestic destinations.
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Found this thread from Nov 07:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hlight=vivajet
Checked the VivaJet website and ran Google search on CEO (Mr.Cenap H.Kahyaoglu)
- taken from:
http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewforum.php?f=4
"6.) 28.07.1998
Turkish Tandem Pilot: Mr.Cenap H.Kahyaoglu
Visiting Tandem Passenger: Mrs.Sehgal Sangereeta
Visiting Tandem Paraglider Passenger Fatality
Babadag, Oludeniz/Fethiye
Pilot forgets to lock passangers" leg straps before takeoff, passenger falls and crashes"
Pilot's name is same as VivaJet's CEO
Also found a post where Mr.Cenap H.Kahyaoglu included website www.efesair.com - member's name from Nov 07 post
Many posts in various other forums on many subjects using username "efesair"
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hlight=vivajet
Checked the VivaJet website and ran Google search on CEO (Mr.Cenap H.Kahyaoglu)
- taken from:
http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewforum.php?f=4
"6.) 28.07.1998
Turkish Tandem Pilot: Mr.Cenap H.Kahyaoglu
Visiting Tandem Passenger: Mrs.Sehgal Sangereeta
Visiting Tandem Paraglider Passenger Fatality
Babadag, Oludeniz/Fethiye
Pilot forgets to lock passangers" leg straps before takeoff, passenger falls and crashes"
Pilot's name is same as VivaJet's CEO
Also found a post where Mr.Cenap H.Kahyaoglu included website www.efesair.com - member's name from Nov 07 post
Many posts in various other forums on many subjects using username "efesair"
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formalities?
Has any of the formalities for an AOC started? Is November this year possible? Some of my extended family make a living from flying and they say both plans are total BS until real dough is spent on the necessary management appointments and documentation. One of them also told me the reference to slots had to be BS as well.
VB - I don't think so
Didn't Brett Godfrey previously mention publicly to the possibility of a LCC arm of VB being created sometime in the future? Considering this, I would expect if that were to occur then he would publicly announce it. Furthermore, what about obligations of a public announcement to the ASX? No, it doesn't sound right to me that it is an offshoot LCC of VB.
I totally agree, particularly in reference to Sydney.
Yeah, right 
JT
One of them also told me the reference to slots had to be BS as well.
Some suggest it may use Sydney's Bankstown.
JT
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